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Post by ignoranus on May 11, 2015 5:43:12 GMT -8
If the Sunday fishwrap is to be believed, the Aztec coaches focus on a few guys that they think are gettable and put major effort into each player. Since Kone has an offer, he is certainly high on their list to bring in.
The fishwrap writer has access to good information, according to many on this site. I believe that he knows better than any poster here.
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Post by standiego on May 11, 2015 7:18:55 GMT -8
Correct Zeigler has the inside stories from the coaches on who they are looking at . Kone was at the Air Force game here . You can see the picture of him with Fisher on the first page of this post . Cage is no lock to come here and we need guys down low at C/PF . Narain is the pivotal part to build the class around for 2016 ( even if he comes here in 2015). Will be interesting to see how much Kone improves during the AAU circuit and IF we can still sign him . Key for is Verbal then signature in November . the battle for quality recruits is very competitive , as teams from all over the West are getting better .
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Post by sdcoug on May 11, 2015 8:37:06 GMT -8
Yeah, we probably don't have much interest in Kone. I'm sure that's why we offered him this past September. Ok then. There are many non committable offers made by assistants, I'm guessing this was nothing more than that. SDSU probably knew Kone was not going to decide anytime soon and wanted to evaluate him and see if they wanted to take the next step in their recruitment, as evidence by the lack of a visit my guess is we have cooled off. He's visited, and we've been to his games.
He may be a "plan B" type player behind Nolan & Cage, but I could see a scenario we'd definitely want all 3. Think he could mature into a solid, power player inside, more so than the other two.
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Post by ignoranus on May 11, 2015 8:41:05 GMT -8
Kone went to the trouble to visit SDSU early in his junior year. From that I would infer that he has some genuine interest in the Aztec program, or, he would not have bothered to see for himself. Smart fellow! Gotta love smart players. Can't have too many.
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Post by fisherville on May 11, 2015 9:17:14 GMT -8
There are many non committable offers made by assistants, I'm guessing this was nothing more than that. SDSU probably knew Kone was not going to decide anytime soon and wanted to evaluate him and see if they wanted to take the next step in their recruitment, as evidence by the lack of a visit my guess is we have cooled off. He's visited, and we've been to his games.
He may be a "plan B" type player behind Nolan & Cage, but I could see a scenario we'd definitely want all 3. Think he could mature into a solid, power player inside, more so than the other two.
I don't think there is any shot we take all 3, but I did not know he visited. I don't see it but fisher and company definitely are smarter than me at evaluating prospects. Wing is another need for 2016, don't see how we take 3 bigs.
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Post by sdcoug on May 11, 2015 9:30:32 GMT -8
He's visited, and we've been to his games.
He may be a "plan B" type player behind Nolan & Cage, but I could see a scenario we'd definitely want all 3. Think he could mature into a solid, power player inside, more so than the other two.
I don't think there is any shot we take all 3, but I did not know he visited. I don't see it but fisher and company definitely are smarter than me at evaluating prospects. Wing is another need for 2016, don't see how we take 3 bigs. We'd still have 3 openings for wings/guards in the 2016 class, one of which may be filled with Aaron/Hoetzel. I'm not worried about that. We need size, especially if Zylan can evolve into a 3, as well as a 4.
With most bigs (aka BJ), it tends to be more important to use the summer leagues for evaluation as they develop later. I think Ben Kone is a kid who could develop later, much like Jones. Great frame though. As mentioned before, he may be a plan b type, in case Cage doesn't come here and/or someone else doesn't pan out.
Personally, I don't think Cage has developed as much as I'd have anticipated, but like Kone, we'll see what the shoe circuit shows. Wouldn't expect either to commit before October anyway.
Plus, why wouldn't you take all 3 if deemed worthy? What's the worst that can happen? If someone washes out they can transfer, and you have a scholarship for 2017... You know there's going to be turnover....scholarship spots open up. It's the norm these days.
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Post by originalshow00 on May 11, 2015 17:20:45 GMT -8
I don't want a 6-8 center thats USD material or some lesser program. Have you watched him play? He's a very good recruit. Yes ive seen some highlights he looks good but is he going to be able to guard 6-11 or 7ft centers especially ones that play for Duke,Kentucky etc. the blue bloods we need an answer for to get to the elite 8 and final 4.Thats all im saying we need to keep looking and get NBA skill and size recruits.
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Post by sdcoug on May 11, 2015 21:50:22 GMT -8
Have you watched him play? He's a very good recruit. Yes ive seen some highlights he looks good but is he going to be able to guard 6-11 or 7ft centers especially ones that play for Duke,Kentucky etc. the blue bloods we need an answer for to get to the elite 8 and final 4.Thats all im saying we need to keep looking and get NBA skill and size recruits. They don't grow on trees. I don't even think we've offered anyone in 2016 who fits your description.
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Post by originalshow00 on May 12, 2015 14:12:53 GMT -8
Yes ive seen some highlights he looks good but is he going to be able to guard 6-11 or 7ft centers especially ones that play for Duke,Kentucky etc. the blue bloods we need an answer for to get to the elite 8 and final 4.Thats all im saying we need to keep looking and get NBA skill and size recruits. They don't grow on trees. I don't even think we've offered anyone in 2016 who fits your description. Thats part of the problem or any tranfers that fit my description
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Post by sdcoug on May 12, 2015 14:32:32 GMT -8
They don't grow on trees. I don't even think we've offered anyone in 2016 who fits your description. Thats part of the problem or any tranfers that fit my description Your scenario may only come true if it's a local kid who wants to stay home (e.g. Ayton). NBA size/skill bigs tend to end up in just a select number of programs unless it's a kid like Rabb who wanted to stay home, or an international player.
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Post by originalshow00 on May 12, 2015 15:39:45 GMT -8
Thats part of the problem or any tranfers that fit my description Your scenario may only come true if it's a local kid who wants to stay home (e.g. Ayton). NBA size/skill bigs tend to end up in just a select number of programs unless it's a kid like Rabb who wanted to stay home, or an international player. There needs to be offers and mass hours of recruiting as we did with Narain.I can not believe the coaching staff is not even trying.I'm in sales and marketing and call nation wide and the first thing people say to me is "Oh San Diego you are from what a great college basketball team there"There is no way any center has not at least heard of us.
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Post by sdcoug on May 12, 2015 16:09:01 GMT -8
Your scenario may only come true if it's a local kid who wants to stay home (e.g. Ayton). NBA size/skill bigs tend to end up in just a select number of programs unless it's a kid like Rabb who wanted to stay home, or an international player. There needs to be offers and mass hours of recruiting as we did with Narain.I can not believe the coaching staff is not even trying.I'm in sales and marketing and call nation wide and the first thing people say to me is "Oh San Diego you are from what a great college basketball team there"There is no way any center has not at least heard of us. I can guarantee you they are spending hours upon hours recruiting kids like Norain to play here, but very few WANT to play here. SD has a 'great' team, but there are MANY other 'great' programs in the country. We're not quite a top 15 program, and there are rarely 10+ "NBA size/skill bigs" on the market every year. Look at this year. 2015 is considered to be a pretty good year for bigs, yet only 10-12 meet your desired description & other than a few they tended to sign with the Kentucky's, Duke's, Indiana's, Ohio State's, etc. Not getting NBA-type bigs isn't about not trying or not trying hard enough. It's about not have many to choose from, and then having to battle the top programs to get them. We're not there. Not even close.
The exceptions are a Simmons to LSU, a Rabb to (local) Cal, and a Zimmerman to (local) UNLV.
While 2014 & 2015 were seen as good years for bigs, 2016 is seen as a year for guards. We're all over (& have been) kids like Cage, but we lost on Leaf (to Arizona), & Collins (Gonzaga). Hence why a kid like Kone is more realistic, yet talented. The good thing is in 2016 Cage & Kone are both local, which doesn't hurt. Hence my comment on Ayton - he's just at a higher level and even MORE local.
We tend to attract kids with upside. The Sky Spencers of the world are a good fit for us, and more realistic recruits than a Thon Maker or a Azubuike. Even the A Chol's chose to go elsewhere originally.
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Post by standiego on May 12, 2015 18:14:43 GMT -8
sdcoug is correct there are not as many true C/5 in 2016 as there were for 2014 , and 2015 . We lost out on Collins to the Zags . The best 2016 we could get is #28 Issac Humphries , Narain's HS team mate , so if he could recruit him would be our best opportunity . It does not help recruiting them if we do not involve guys playing the C/5 in the offense. So maybe use Skylar/ Chol more then the 3 point shooters.
Kone is talented and if we can not sign Cage will be needed , unless BJ is a player , there seems to be some doubt there.
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Post by sdcoug on May 12, 2015 18:38:43 GMT -8
sdcoug is correct there are not as many true C/5 in 2016 as there were for 2014 , and 2015 . We lost out on Collins to the Zags . The best 2016 we could get is #28 Issac Humphries , Narain's HS team mate , so if he could recruit him would be our best opportunity . It does not help recruiting them if we do not involve guys playing the C/5 in the offense. So maybe use Skylar/ Chol more then the 3 point shooters. Kone is talented and if we can not sign Cage will be needed , unless BJ is a player , there seems to be some doubt there.I'm relatively new to this board, but I swear this kid has to be one of the most underappreciated recruits coming in anywhere. Kid is mentioned everywhere as having great upside; just needs some coaching up. Tremendous athlete. I think a lot of programs would be excited about his future, whereas he's the forgotten man on this board. Usually an afterthought. Would hope people would give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise (after a couple years). You can't teach his athleticism, but you can teach skills, strength & positioning. Maybe it's just because his teammate got all the glory, so since we couldn't get #1 on his team he's pushed aside?
Not worried about how recruits perceive how we use our centers. Narain said he was pleased with how we use ours, and I think they see that we do use Chol often when in the game, and SS's game isn't built on offense. SO they know they would be used more if they're more skilled than SS, and would play more if better on D' than Chol. They know that our coaches make it an objective to get the ball in the hands of the better players, and that's all good players want to hear.
EDIT: Interesting about Humphries. Given how often we visited Narain any idea why we haven't offered Humphries?
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Post by OldSlowWhiteBaller on May 13, 2015 14:27:08 GMT -8
There are many non committable offers made by assistants, I'm guessing this was nothing more than that. SDSU probably knew Kone was not going to decide anytime soon and wanted to evaluate him and see if they wanted to take the next step in their recruitment, as evidence by the lack of a visit my guess is we have cooled off. He's visited, and we've been to his games.
He may be a "plan B" type player behind Nolan & Cage, but I could see a scenario we'd definitely want all 3. Think he could mature into a solid, power player inside, more so than the other two.
Perhaps he could evolve into a J.J. Avila type player.......Would that be good enough for this tough crowd?
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Post by Gundo on May 13, 2015 18:54:07 GMT -8
He was POY in SaN Jose and only getting better. He has good coaching at AB Mitty HS which is a Nor Cal powerhouse.
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Post by standiego on May 13, 2015 22:09:01 GMT -8
B.Kone can play . We have no clue if Cage will sign . so watch Kone play in the AAU circuit and if he continues to play well get his Verbal. or see if Narain can talk his HS team mate Issac Humphries #28 recruit - 6'11" to join him at SDSU plus SG Cryus
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Post by thepapacy on May 14, 2015 15:29:13 GMT -8
I'm relatively new to this board, but I swear this kid has to be one of the most underappreciated recruits coming in anywhere. Kid is mentioned everywhere as having great upside; just needs some coaching up. Tremendous athlete. I think a lot of programs would be excited about his future, whereas he's the forgotten man on this board. Usually an afterthought. Would hope people would give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise (after a couple years). You can't teach his athleticism, but you can teach skills, strength & positioning. Maybe it's just because his teammate got all the glory, so since we couldn't get #1 on his team he's pushed aside?
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Post by standiego on May 14, 2015 17:37:30 GMT -8
So are we talking about Kone or BJ ? or both ?
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Post by Gundo on Jun 23, 2015 23:21:42 GMT -8
Ben Kone out of Archbishop Mitty High School (San Jose, California), picked up an Oregon State Beavers offer. This from ESPN.com/Scout via Oregonlive.com: "They are definitely high up. Oregon State is somewhere I can see myself in the future," Kone explained. "I think, as a young man, I like the family environment they're trying to produce at the school and the overall culture they are trying to instill." "I can definitely tell you that Cal and San Diego State are in that top three, and I'd say Oregon State," he said. "Cal, San Diego State and Oregon State are all up there right now." www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2015/06/ben_kone_3-star_pfc_reviews_or.html
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