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Post by standiego on Jan 12, 2015 14:09:49 GMT -8
any opinions on Stanback , Kone and Collins at playing the 5 position ? plus our chances of signing them . Not always able to judge a taller player when they do not play against other quality taller players.in HS
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Post by standiego on Jan 28, 2015 10:51:06 GMT -8
believe it was stated/ shown he was here for the AFA game 12/31/14
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Post by andy26rich on Jan 28, 2015 11:42:19 GMT -8
Still amazes me that people place a position number on our players. Last time I checked we have a 6'8 and 6'10 guy on this years team not playing center.
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Post by standiego on Jan 28, 2015 14:09:41 GMT -8
No matter what number you want to call them 1-5, as the coaches do ,or by their position . You need some one that usually plays near the lane on offense , on the blocks area or back to the basket and usually guards the other teams 's player who does the same , so either label them a 5 or C for conversational purposes . Aztecs have Spencer and Chol playing the position this year and then will need at least two there for 2016 . Not totally sure where BJ is projected for 2015 and 2016 ? M.Cage has said he prefers to play the 4 or PF position JJ is playing this year . Next year we also have Cheatham , who most guess will be a 4 or PF . Will he then slide to SF / 3 in 2016 ?
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Post by jpaztec on Jan 29, 2015 7:39:40 GMT -8
Collins is the player we want to fill the conventional Center position as you insist on calling it. He's got a low post offensive game and get hit the boards. MJ would play nicely alongside him in my opinion, and they can exploit any inside/outside mismatches that would surely present themselves during the course of a game. I'm not high on Kone at all to be honest, I just don't see him being an effective low post guy at a High D-1 Level. I still feel Zylan is more of a small forward given his athleticism, I'd hate to just plop him down low and not take advantage of his slashing skill set. He will still rebound like a PF though, I'm sure. All in all, I still feel good about landing MJ, but Collins is a long shot that would be terrific get if the staff can bring him home.
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Post by NCAztec82 on Jan 29, 2015 8:16:29 GMT -8
any opinions on Stanback , Kone and Collins at playing the 5 position ? plus our chances of signing them . Not always able to judge a taller player when they do not play against other quality taller players.in HS Any kid with hands would be an improvement at the 5 position.
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Post by NCAztec82 on Jan 29, 2015 8:26:49 GMT -8
Still amazes me that people place a position number on our players. Last time I checked we have a 6'8 and 6'10 guy on this years team not playing center. Just curious. How do you think positions should be designated? G-G-F-F-C? PG-SG-SF-PF-SF-C? 1-2-3-4-5 seems as good as any. Big ask, but I would like to learn something here.
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 29, 2015 9:22:21 GMT -8
Still amazes me that people place a position number on our players. Last time I checked we have a 6'8 and 6'10 guy on this years team not playing center. Just curious. How do you think positions should be designated? G-G-F-F-C? PG-SG-SF-PF-SF-C? 1-2-3-4-5 seems as good as any. Big ask, but I would like to learn something here. In today's vernacular you'd have to include Combo Guard (CG), Wing (W; which fits the bill of a 2, 3 or even S4), Stretch 4 (S4), Point Forward (PtF) & Post with and/or in place of the traditional #'s. IMO, if you look at our starting team we have a CG in AQ, 2 Wings in Shrigs & WS, JJ's more of a PtF, and then SS/AC are Posts.
A lot of teams tend to have 2-3 CG's, a S4 and/or a Wing, and 1 or 2 Posts. Several don't start anyone over 6'8. Look at CSU - would you describe Avila as a Post or a Stretch 4, both or neither? He's their biggest player, but definitely doesn't play like a "5".
I also think the typical skillset of a "5" is becoming more rare. Chol plays the #5 - he has post moves & that's where he excels, but how many teams have jumping skinny long kids playing inside on D' but with no post game at all?
Playing a switching D and/or Zone also makes guarding the post less definitive as well.
Ultimately, instead of defining the position by number or name it's better to describe by player style/strengths. If you wanted to look ahead to 2016, you could say we'd have 2 score-first type of guys (e.g. CG) in Hemsley & Kell, Wings in Pope/Allen/Shrigs, S4's in Cage (IF we get him) & ZC, &/or a Post if we get one via recruit/transfer. Jones would probably best be defined as a "Post" type of player - doesn't appear to have any outside game. Like CSU, we could play Cage & ZC together away from the hoop & with our overall length do a lot of switching on D'. ZC may actually be more effective inside, who knows?
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Post by standiego on Jan 29, 2015 9:24:59 GMT -8
Believe I heard Dutcher on his radio show call them by Number . JJ plays the 4 ....
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Post by andy26rich on Jan 29, 2015 10:11:29 GMT -8
I think we should call them 1-5, my bad. It just seems to me we go after athletes more so than position needs.
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Post by standiego on Jan 29, 2015 10:47:17 GMT -8
Yes the coaches do look for athletic guys that can play multiple positions . But you also need at least one or two guys that can play the 5 ( C ) position Spencer/ Chol (usually at least 6'8" ) and at least one or two guys that can handle the ball the 1 (PG) position .
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 29, 2015 12:15:18 GMT -8
Yes the coaches do look for athletic guys that can play multiple positions . But you also need at least one or two guys that can play the 5 ( C ) position Spencer/ Chol (usually at least 6'8" ) and at least one or two guys that can handle the ball the 1 (PG) position . Your ballhandler can either be a traditional PG, multiple combo guards and/or even point forwards. As long as they make good decisions with the ball & can create it doesn't matter if they come from the "1", "2", "3" or even "4".
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Post by Gundo on Jan 29, 2015 16:57:54 GMT -8
any opinions on Stanback , Kone and Collins at playing the 5 position ? plus our chances of signing them . Not always able to judge a taller player when they do not play against other quality taller players.in HS Any kid with hands would be an improvement at the 5 position. Amen, no mas rocas.
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Post by fisherville on Jan 29, 2015 23:37:01 GMT -8
any opinions on Stanback , Kone and Collins at playing the 5 position ? plus our chances of signing them . Not always able to judge a taller player when they do not play against other quality taller players.in HS Any kid with hands would be an improvement at the 5 position. No, probably not, Skylar Spencer is an amazing defensive player, why this gets overlooked on this board is amazing. SDSU is nowhere near as good without him, the chances of a freshman being better than Spencer is now is very unlikely.
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Post by NCAztec82 on Jan 30, 2015 6:03:47 GMT -8
Any kid with hands would be an improvement at the 5 position. No, probably not, Skylar Spencer is an amazing defensive player, why this gets overlooked on this board is amazing. SDSU is nowhere near as good without him, the chances of a freshman being better than Spencer is now is very unlikely. My bad. I meant it strictly from an offensive standpoint. Spencer is an excellent defender.
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Post by Den60 on Jan 30, 2015 7:49:26 GMT -8
Any kid with hands would be an improvement at the 5 position. No, probably not, Skylar Spencer is an amazing defensive player, why this gets overlooked on this board is amazing. SDSU is nowhere near as good without him, the chances of a freshman being better than Spencer is now is very unlikely. I agree. The problem isn't Spencer but instead it is the fact no one has stepped up to be a consistent scorer for us so we end up playing Chol more because he can sometimes be a beast inside for us offensively. That first sub, when we bring in Chol and Pope, tends to lead to more layups from the other team. If Chol and Pope are scoring then that mitigates the step down in defense (while giving other players time to rest). But when they aren't scoring we will have trouble with that lineup.
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Post by Gundo on Feb 16, 2015 13:47:56 GMT -8
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Post by johnnyutah on Feb 16, 2015 19:06:18 GMT -8
He is so much bigger and stronger than the competition here -- hard to really learn much about him. Nice stroke on the free throws though.
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Post by standiego on Feb 17, 2015 9:11:15 GMT -8
As noted very difficult to totally get a solid evaluation of guys that play the 5/C position , when they rarely play against guys similar in height . Not sure of the teams he plays against during the year or tournaments. But he seems athletic , decent hands , can shoot FT's . Big key for Aztecs is his play on D and hit the boards .
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Post by Gundo on Mar 18, 2015 0:03:49 GMT -8
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