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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 18:09:55 GMT -8
We will see. Chol may not be as fluid an athlete as Davis was. But, he maybe athletic enough to switch. I do not see JJ as a plus perimeter defender either. JJ plays smart and stays in good position but lacks the lateral movement to be really good in that role.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 1, 2014 18:37:27 GMT -8
We will see. Chol may not be as fluid an athlete as Davis was. But, he maybe athletic enough to switch. I do not see JJ as a plus perimeter defender either. JJ plays smart and stays in good position but lacks the lateral movement to be really good in that role. We switched screens 1-4 last year. JJ played the 3/4. That means any team could dictate that JJ defend any wing player they wanted. Yet our defense was great. I think JJ can defend the wing. Especially this season seeing he is in much better shape. JJ, Chol, and Sky will play the 4/5 and each get about the same minutes. Who starts is really irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 18:58:11 GMT -8
We will see. Chol may not be as fluid an athlete as Davis was. But, he maybe athletic enough to switch. I do not see JJ as a plus perimeter defender either. JJ plays smart and stays in good position but lacks the lateral movement to be really good in that role. We switched screens 1-4 last year. JJ played the 3/4. That means any team could dictate that JJ defend any wing player they wanted. Yet our defense was great. I think JJ can defend the wing. Especially this season seeing he is in much better shape. JJ, Chol, and Sky will play the 4/5 and each get about the same minutes. Who starts is really irrelevant. That is what I expect as well.
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Post by adammclane on Oct 1, 2014 22:19:53 GMT -8
I am willing to be surprised. Having seen Angelo play almost every home game at Hoover his soph-senior year I'm optimistic that he's developed some basketball skills while at Arizona and sitting out the transfer year at State. He is ridiculously athletic, great hand eye coordination, stuff like that. If I remember correctly soccer is his first love.
With Malcolm Thomas playing at Crawford and Chol from Hoover, it can only help with recruiting local kids. (Both schools are about a mile from campus)
My question mark for him is really more of being in shape. He has sat for the most part of 3 years. I sat near him during a couple roadies last year and he was eating like me... junk food, gatorade, chips, etc.
My hope for him is to see him be aggressive. His junior year of HS, when he had a point guard to distribute the ball, he was fully aggressive and could take over games. Hard to describe how he had a knack for blocking shots. I remember he stepped out from the key and caught a 3-pt shot right off the hands of a guard in an early playoff game. He didn't block it, he caught it. During his senior year, when they lost their PG, he ended up playing all the positions and he never really was as aggressive as he'd been his soph/jr year IMO.
But I don't expect him to start. I'd be shocked if he started. I expect him to be the first forward off the bench though. Probably going to be Sky's backup.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 2, 2014 7:58:42 GMT -8
I am willing to be surprised. Having seen Angelo play almost every home game at Hoover his soph-senior year I'm optimistic that he's developed some basketball skills while at Arizona and sitting out the transfer year at State. He is ridiculously athletic, great hand eye coordination, stuff like that. If I remember correctly soccer is his first love. With Malcolm Thomas playing at Crawford and Chol from Hoover, it can only help with recruiting local kids. (Both schools are about a mile from campus) My question mark for him is really more of being in shape. He has sat for the most part of 3 years. I sat near him during a couple roadies last year and he was eating like me... junk food, gatorade, chips, etc. My hope for him is to see him be aggressive. His junior year of HS, when he had a point guard to distribute the ball, he was fully aggressive and could take over games. Hard to describe how he had a knack for blocking shots. I remember he stepped out from the key and caught a 3-pt shot right off the hands of a guard in an early playoff game. He didn't block it, he caught it. During his senior year, when they lost their PG, he ended up playing all the positions and he never really was as aggressive as he'd been his soph/jr year IMO. But I don't expect him to start. I'd be shocked if he started. I expect him to be the first forward off the bench though. Probably going to be Sky's backup. If he doesn't start, which may happen, he would not only be Sky's backup but also backup JJ at the 4. That would give him about 28 minutes a game. Without the two freshman, the only other backup at 4 would be Shepard. That would only happen if the wings played so well that they forced their way onto the court taking minutes from the 3 bigs via a 4 guard lineup.
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Post by standiego on Oct 2, 2014 11:49:30 GMT -8
One of the comments from Coach Fisher at the PC . I really want to work on expanding the amount of players in the rotation this year . IMO we could have 10 guys playing 12-28 minutes this year . As Polee showed last year starting is not as important as being in there during crunch time . As of now I would guess the Spencer - JJ'OB - Chol trio,should share minutes at the 4/5 positions - with maybe some Winston tossed in as needed , until Zylan is ready to play . Pope will be brought around slowly as he and the coaches decide when he can play with contact . Would guess Winston and Polee start at SG/SF ,(if JJ is at PF). The injuries to the freshman give Allen , Kell, Shrigley the opportunity to show what they can do . We start the OOC season with 1 or 2 X games / controlled scrimmages , then another couple of games . What I would guess the team really prepares for the Utah game . A very important game 11/18. I know Utah has at least 1 top player that could be an NBA player next year , would be interested to know if any one on the board here knows any other information about their players and possible match ups ?? Also believe the Utah AD is on the MM selection group . Then the next week Maui T - starting with BYU - whose AD is also the MM group .
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 2, 2014 12:24:29 GMT -8
One of the comments from Coach Fisher at the PC . I really want to work on expanding the amount of players in the rotation this year . IMO we could have 10 guys playing 12-28 minutes this year . As Polee showed last year starting is not as important as being in there during crunch time . As of now I would guess the Spencer - JJ'OB - Chol trio,should share minutes at the 4/5 positions - with maybe some Winston tossed in as needed , until Zylan is ready to play . Pope will be brought around slowly as he and the coaches decide when he can play with contact . Would guess Winston and Polee start at SG/SF ,(if JJ is at PF). The injuries to the freshman give Allen , Kell, Shrigley the opportunity to show what they can do . We start the OOC season with 1 or 2 X games / controlled scrimmages , then another couple of games . What I would guess the team really prepares for the Utah game . A very important game 11/18. I know Utah has at least 1 top player that could be an NBA player next year , would be interested to know if any one on the board here knows any other information about their players and possible match ups ?? Also believe the Utah AD is on the MM selection group . Then the next week Maui T - starting with BYU - whose AD is also the MM group . There are metrics they are using to determine when he can play. So it is his leg that decides when he can play I smile above because when you stated doctors would decide, others said it was the coaches. Now that you say it is the coaches, I couldn't resist
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Post by uncledougy on Oct 2, 2014 13:52:33 GMT -8
I am willing to be surprised. Having seen Angelo play almost every home game at Hoover his soph-senior year I'm optimistic that he's developed some basketball skills while at Arizona and sitting out the transfer year at State. He is ridiculously athletic, great hand eye coordination, stuff like that. If I remember correctly soccer is his first love. With Malcolm Thomas playing at Crawford and Chol from Hoover, it can only help with recruiting local kids. (Both schools are about a mile from campus) My question mark for him is really more of being in shape. He has sat for the most part of 3 years. I sat near him during a couple roadies last year and he was eating like me... junk food, gatorade, chips, etc. My hope for him is to see him be aggressive. His junior year of HS, when he had a point guard to distribute the ball, he was fully aggressive and could take over games. Hard to describe how he had a knack for blocking shots. I remember he stepped out from the key and caught a 3-pt shot right off the hands of a guard in an early playoff game. He didn't block it, he caught it. During his senior year, when they lost their PG, he ended up playing all the positions and he never really was as aggressive as he'd been his soph/jr year IMO. But I don't expect him to start. I'd be shocked if he started. I expect him to be the first forward off the bench though. Probably going to be Sky's backup. I have always wondered why more guys don't "catch" the block instead of swatting it 3 rows deep. Maybe it's a mental thing to see your shot end up at the scoring table but I think the change of possession it much more valuable.
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Post by fisherville on Oct 2, 2014 14:12:16 GMT -8
I am willing to be surprised. Having seen Angelo play almost every home game at Hoover his soph-senior year I'm optimistic that he's developed some basketball skills while at Arizona and sitting out the transfer year at State. He is ridiculously athletic, great hand eye coordination, stuff like that. If I remember correctly soccer is his first love. With Malcolm Thomas playing at Crawford and Chol from Hoover, it can only help with recruiting local kids. (Both schools are about a mile from campus) My question mark for him is really more of being in shape. He has sat for the most part of 3 years. I sat near him during a couple roadies last year and he was eating like me... junk food, gatorade, chips, etc. My hope for him is to see him be aggressive. His junior year of HS, when he had a point guard to distribute the ball, he was fully aggressive and could take over games. Hard to describe how he had a knack for blocking shots. I remember he stepped out from the key and caught a 3-pt shot right off the hands of a guard in an early playoff game. He didn't block it, he caught it. During his senior year, when they lost their PG, he ended up playing all the positions and he never really was as aggressive as he'd been his soph/jr year IMO. But I don't expect him to start. I'd be shocked if he started. I expect him to be the first forward off the bench though. Probably going to be Sky's backup. I have always wondered why more guys don't "catch" the block instead of swatting it 3 rows deep. Maybe it's a mental thing to see your shot end up at the scoring table but I think the change of possession it much more valuable. It's much easier to swat a ball away with one hand than catch it with one hand
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Post by standiego on Oct 2, 2014 14:26:59 GMT -8
Maybe have it wrong ,but thought now a days doctors or medical staff have to clear a player to play ,if they are coming off an injury . Malik had an injury ,then re-injured it . So I take it that some doctor has cleared him to play and now the coaches have it at their discretion when to play him , or that was what the coach said. PG - Zabo , Williams , AQ are in play for the position . Coaches are looking for guys that are not afraid to take charge of the team , good decision maker , not many TO's, getting his team mates involved in the offense and getting them the ball , will not be the scorer X was last year .Rotation should grow this year. Besides replacing X . Team has not been known for being a good perimeter shooting team . He feels a variety of the guys have been working on that part of their game , will see who steps up . Also raised a question will be interesting to see how the offense evolves and what guys the team will look to either down low or from the outside when it is crunch time ? No answer now but will see as practice gets into full gear.
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Post by aztecmichael on Oct 2, 2014 14:29:19 GMT -8
I have always wondered why more guys don't "catch" the block instead of swatting it 3 rows deep. Maybe it's a mental thing to see your shot end up at the scoring table but I think the change of possession it much more valuable. It's much easier to swat a ball away with one hand than catch it with one hand Not sure if you have played a lot, but what you describe is not easy. In fact, it takes a freak athlete, good timing and some luck. Better to swat it out of bounds then have it bounce off your hand for an easy layup for the opponent.
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Post by fisherville on Oct 2, 2014 14:48:48 GMT -8
It's much easier to swat a ball away with one hand than catch it with one hand Not sure if you have played a lot, but what you describe is not easy. In fact, it takes a freak athlete, good timing and some luck. Better to swat it out of bounds then have it bounce off your hand for an easy layup for the opponent. I'm not saying blocking a shot is easy.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 2, 2014 14:50:51 GMT -8
It's much easier to swat a ball away with one hand than catch it with one hand Not sure if you have played a lot, but what you describe is not easy. In fact, it takes a freak athlete, good timing and some luck. Better to swat it out of bounds then have it bounce off your hand for an easy layup for the opponent. It is better to bat it to a place where it will be rebounded because your team then has a chance to get the ball and, if the clock is short, your opponent will have trouble getting a shot when they do recover the ball.
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Post by adammclane on Oct 2, 2014 15:55:05 GMT -8
It's much easier to swat a ball away with one hand than catch it with one hand Not sure if you have played a lot, but what you describe is not easy. In fact, it takes a freak athlete, good timing and some luck. Better to swat it out of bounds then have it bounce off your hand for an easy layup for the opponent. Yeah, hundreds of people came to the games to see what freakish thing Angelo would do each game. I've seen plenty of very talented HS kid playing sub-par competition. So some of that was just that he was bigger and more talented than opponents. For instance... he had 337 in 35 games as 15 year old. (averaged 8 per game his senior year) He set the national record for a sophomore if I remember correctly. So it wasn't unusual to see a guy come down the key and for him to basically catch the "shot" that was never really a shot because this grown man was in the way and some 5-8 "forward" threw it up. In the play I mentioned it was unusual because he stepped out of the key (paint) and caught a 3-pointer then went down the court the other way, kind of like it was no big deal... like maybe you'd see in a pick-up gym game. You see that when a senior plays a freshmen in gym class. You don't normally see that in a HS game. But, like Stephens a few years back, because he didn't grow up playing the game and especially that position, he was often out of position or on the wrong side of the basket when a shot came in, those are instincts that Davis had last year and Sky has from years and years of ball Angelo just didn't have as a kid. I saw the same thing when he got in at Arizona. He'd get lost on defense, be in the wrong spot on offense, and as a result wouldn't produce or get more minutes. (Fisher does the same thing, right?) That's what I hope he's worked on. He can be aggressive, score, dominate even. But he didn't tend to do that against the best competition in HS and I never saw that out of him at Arizona. Stephens saw MASSIVE improvement on that and I think Chol was ahead of him when he got on campus. Working out with Josh Davis last year certainly would have schooled him on where to be. Adam
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Post by aztecmichael on Oct 2, 2014 18:37:38 GMT -8
It's much easier to swat a ball away with one hand than catch it with one hand Not sure if you have played a lot, but what you describe is not easy. In fact, it takes a freak athlete, good timing and some luck. Better to swat it out of bounds then have it bounce off your hand for an easy layup for the opponent. Sorry. I meant to respond to the guy who asked why players don't "catch" the ball. I would like to blame it on a mobile device but just operator error.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 2, 2014 19:39:15 GMT -8
Not sure if you have played a lot, but what you describe is not easy. In fact, it takes a freak athlete, good timing and some luck. Better to swat it out of bounds then have it bounce off your hand for an easy layup for the opponent. Sorry. I meant to respond to the guy who asked why players don't "catch" the ball. I would like to blame it on a mobile device but just operator error. Players can block it to places where a teammate can get it. They can also block it more downward so they can gather it in after they land. Some players would rather spike the ball hard for the wow factor. Teams should keep stats on rebounds for blocked shots and disseminate the information to the player and team. This will make them more conscious for blocking for good results.
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Post by Gundo on Oct 14, 2014 19:52:26 GMT -8
I am not a huge JJ fan since I think he really needs to find an outside shot to provide some offense, and he is a bit of a tweener, but when Fisher has two players representing the team at the opening press conference and one of them is JJ, then I kind of think he might start. LOL. Oh yeah, and every time they interview Fisher he gushes about all the intangibles JJ brings to the table and how much he loves him being a team player. My guess is Spencer and JJ start with Chol coming off the bench, maybe filling in at both positions early in the season with Cheathum and Pope out. NBC sports has Angelo Chol in the top 20 impact transfers. collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/14/2014-2015-season-preview-20-impact-transfers/
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Post by missiontrails on Oct 14, 2014 21:42:49 GMT -8
Sorry. I meant to respond to the guy who asked why players don't "catch" the ball. I would like to blame it on a mobile device but just operator error. Players can block it to places where a teammate can get it. They can also block it more downward so they can gather it in after they land. Some players would rather spike the ball hard for the wow factor. Teams should keep stats on rebounds for blocked shots and disseminate the information to the player and team. This will make them more conscious for blocking for good results. We had a shot blocker recently who had an uncanny ability to keep his swats in play. I can't remember if that was Malcolm Thomas, or someone before him. Anyone remember?
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Post by standiego on Oct 15, 2014 9:01:49 GMT -8
Guess we can all look forward to the video on the big board of Swats/Stuffs/splats by Spencer - Chol - .... or Fly swatter give a ways and the blocks added to the stat board . Keeping them in play or knocking them down court would be helpful but does always an option . But it certainly plants the idea in the opposing players they need to alter their shot . Definitely monster if we go into a 1-3-1 or other D , when Spencer or Chol can stay in the middle of the lane .
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