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Post by rebar619 on Dec 2, 2013 14:01:34 GMT -8
Just to be clear, I am not on the "Fire Rocky" side of the fence, though there has been more than enough coaching fiascos this season to justify his exit. Based on how he turned the flaming pile that was U$C into a competitive team I think Ed Orgeron would be a great replacement for Rocky. I realize it wont happen, but I think Orgeron is the type of coach that could take SDSU up a notch.
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Post by onelittleindian on Dec 2, 2013 14:12:29 GMT -8
While people are noticing what Orgeron has accomplished the last couple months, they need to zoom out and look at the whole picture. Like most who choose the coaching field, he brings some pluses ... but also some weighty minuses.
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Post by therealeman on Dec 2, 2013 14:12:41 GMT -8
Rocky isn't going anywhere.
Reports are that Orgeron has applied for the FAU job. If there was an opening here, there is no doubt he'd be interested.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Dec 2, 2013 14:14:29 GMT -8
I would choose Orgeron over Rocky based on his ability to recruit. We would instantly become the top recruiting progam in the MWC.
There is a question as to whether or not he can actually coach up his players.
Saying that, I am not in favor of letting Rocky go.
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Post by Old School on Dec 2, 2013 14:16:09 GMT -8
The admiration has to be mutual.
Oldie Out
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Post by thetruth on Dec 2, 2013 14:17:28 GMT -8
"Reports are that Orgeron has applied for the FAU job. If there was an opening here, there is no doubt he'd be interested."
If Orgeron was interested, there should definately be an opening here...
"There is a question as to whether or not he (Orgeron) can actually coach up his players."
And our current coach has shown this ability?
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Post by aztech on Dec 2, 2013 14:27:06 GMT -8
"Reports are that Orgeron has applied for the FAU job. If there was an opening here, there is no doubt he'd be interested." If Orgeron was interested, there should definately be an opening here... "There is a question as to whether or not he (Orgeron) can actually coach up his players." And our current coach has shown this ability? What question? As soon as he took over for Kiffin they starting winning right away. Kiffin would never have beaten Stanford. I'm surprised that Orgeron would stoop down to FAU. He's been USC's ace recruiter and has BCS ties.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 2, 2013 14:28:51 GMT -8
Orgeron is in an interesting situation. He was already wildly popular at SC even before the interim gig -- and has done nothing since then to lessen that status. Sark may have the job, but Orgeron is "Marv Goux, Part II" on that campus, a legend -- and I'd be a little surprised to see him leave.
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Post by myk13 on Dec 2, 2013 14:32:50 GMT -8
Orgeron is in an interesting situation. He was already wildly popular at SC even before the interim gig -- and has done nothing since then to lessen that status. Sark may have the job, but Orgeron is "Marv Goux, Part II" on that campus, a legend -- and I'd be a little surprised to see him leave. He already resigned
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Post by sleepy on Dec 2, 2013 14:34:30 GMT -8
Orgeron is in an interesting situation. He was already wildly popular at SC even before the interim gig -- and has done nothing since then to lessen that status. Sark may have the job, but Orgeron is "Marv Goux, Part II" on that campus, a legend -- and I'd be a little surprised to see him leave. He already resigned And then I was surprised a little!
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Post by aztech on Dec 2, 2013 14:35:05 GMT -8
Orgeron is in an interesting situation. He was already wildly popular at SC even before the interim gig -- and has done nothing since then to lessen that status. Sark may have the job, but Orgeron is "Marv Goux, Part II" on that campus, a legend -- and I'd be a little surprised to see him leave. I'm not saying Sark is handsome, but Orgeron doesn't have that Hollywood look that's a criteria for USC. That's been a rumor that's truer than not.
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Post by aztecgold on Dec 2, 2013 14:40:33 GMT -8
As a recruiting assistant? Yes.
Anything else? NO!
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Post by matteosandiego on Dec 2, 2013 14:40:48 GMT -8
Man, Coach O is a wildcard... no way we ever let go of Rocky anytime soon, but any program to land Orgeron is getting a great addition.
I'd take him immediately just based on all the hype and how great of a recruiter he is, hands down. SDSU would get soo much attention just because of it.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 2, 2013 14:42:11 GMT -8
I'd be willing to give Orgeron a shot here. Rocky can't coach here forever (he's not a young man), so we're going to have to replace him in the next few years anyway...
And look at how well he turned around that disaster at USC. They went from bad, underachieving team to a good, very competitive team that played hard and won games.
If he's half as good a recruiter as his reputation says then he may very well be a solid choice. I wouldn't just sign him up unvetted and unresearched, but he's definitely a guy I'd have on my short list.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 14:45:34 GMT -8
Orgeron was awful at Ole Miss and he conducted himself despicably as Lane Kiffin was bailing on Tennessee. Also, he looks a lot older than 52. Like my dear departed dad was at that age, he's quite overweight. Also, like Dad got to be at about 67, I've never seen Orgeron interviewed when he didn't have to cough. So unless he's a smoker, and I've seen no evidence of that, I have to wonder whether he doesn't have an early onset of congestive heart failure. The prescription for Dad was to retire from his stressful job and to lose a considerable amount of weight. I wonder if the same hasn't been recommended to Orgeron.
If Orgeron wants to be a HC again, he should apply for the Wyoming gig. At a minimum, Orgeron's BS would allow for a big bump up in recruiting and Wyoming has already been overpaying its HC to the tune of $1.2M so Orgeron should be affordable.
SDSU? If Orgeron's still available a year from now when Rocky could be leaving, I would have to think hard about whether I'd want the guy at SDSU. If he'd agree to a small buyout maybe, but otherwise I don't think so.
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Post by myownwords on Dec 2, 2013 14:51:28 GMT -8
Orgeron was awful at Ole Miss and he conducted himself despicably as Lane Kiffin was bailing on Tennessee. Also, he looks a lot older than 52. Like my dear departed dad was at that age, he's quite overweight. Also, like Dad got to be at about 67, I've never seen Orgeron interviewed when he didn't have to cough. So unless he's a smoker, and I've seen no evidence of that, I have to wonder whether he doesn't have an early onset of congestive heart failure. The prescription for Dad was to retire from his stressful job and to lose a considerable amount of weight. I wonder if the same hasn't been recommended to Orgeron. If Orgeron wants to be a HC again, he should apply for the Wyoming gig. At a minimum, Orgeron's BS would allow for a big bump up in recruiting and Wyoming has already been overpaying its HC to the tune of $1.2M so Orgeron should be affordable. SDSU? If Orgeron's still available a year from now when Rocky could be leaving, I would have to think hard about whether I'd want the guy at SDSU. If he'd agree to a small buyout maybe, but otherwise I don't think so. I had forgotten about the Tennessee fiasco. I shouldn't have. I've got friends there. Thanks for the reminder SGF. That does put him several notches down the list.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 15:08:25 GMT -8
Orgeron was awful at Ole Miss and he conducted himself despicably as Lane Kiffin was bailing on Tennessee. Also, he looks a lot older than 52. Like my dear departed dad was at that age, he's quite overweight. Also, like Dad got to be at about 67, I've never seen Orgeron interviewed when he didn't have to cough. So unless he's a smoker, and I've seen no evidence of that, I have to wonder whether he doesn't have an early onset of congestive heart failure. The prescription for Dad was to retire from his stressful job and to lose a considerable amount of weight. I wonder if the same hasn't been recommended to Orgeron. If Orgeron wants to be a HC again, he should apply for the Wyoming gig. At a minimum, Orgeron's BS would allow for a big bump up in recruiting and Wyoming has already been overpaying its HC to the tune of $1.2M so Orgeron should be affordable. SDSU? If Orgeron's still available a year from now when Rocky could be leaving, I would have to think hard about whether I'd want the guy at SDSU. If he'd agree to a small buyout maybe, but otherwise I don't think so. he really has had some behaviour issues,does sound like a heavy smoker and a spousal abuse years ago.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 2, 2013 15:39:55 GMT -8
So what you guys want is a young, proven, non-smoking saint who can change the program for $800K a year? Not going to happen. Personally, I'd be satisfied with a guy that showed some passion and personality with a vision of something other than the status quo.
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Post by RockNFish on Dec 2, 2013 15:45:38 GMT -8
Are there any assistants on the SC or Wyo (or Florida) staff that we would want and could get?
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Post by aztecalum on Dec 2, 2013 15:50:32 GMT -8
You are who you are! Orgeron was 10-25 at Missisippi! No doubt a good recruiter as he brought talent to Mississippi but below average coach as far as performance and results.
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