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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jan 25, 2013 14:14:18 GMT -8
Does anyone have any data for comparing TV ratings of SDSU vs PAC schools in basketball or football in San Diego County. I was just curious how much of the San Diego County TV market does the PAC have compared to SDSU football and basketball. Does SDSU draw better in SD or does the PAC draw better in SD?
Some fans from the PAC consider that they aleady have a foothold in San Diego and that they own the San Diego County TV market. Is this actually true? Do we have numbers that supports such a claim? I would venture to guess that they don't considering Larry Scott admitted that San Diego is "a market that we are not in."
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Post by azteccc on Jan 25, 2013 14:32:04 GMT -8
Does anyone have any data for comparing TV ratings of SDSU vs PAC schools in basketball or football in San Diego County. I was just curious how much of the San Diego County TV market does the PAC have compared to SDSU football and basketball. Does SDSU draw better in SD or does the PAC draw better in SD? Some fans from the PAC consider that they aleady have a foothold in San Diego and that they own the San Diego County TV market. Is this actually true? Do we have numbers that supports such a claim? I would venture to guess that they don't considering Larry Scott admitted that San Diego is "a market that we are not in." no numbers to back it up... but i would bet we have the market for bball, while pac football owns the city. |
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Post by k5james on Jan 25, 2013 14:41:19 GMT -8
Does anyone have any data for comparing TV ratings of SDSU vs PAC schools in basketball or football in San Diego County. I was just curious how much of the San Diego County TV market does the PAC have compared to SDSU football and basketball. Does SDSU draw better in SD or does the PAC draw better in SD? Some fans from the PAC consider that they aleady have a foothold in San Diego and that they own the San Diego County TV market. Is this actually true? Do we have numbers that supports such a claim? I would venture to guess that they don't considering Larry Scott admitted that San Diego is "a market that we are not in." no numbers to back it up... but i would bet we have the market for bball, while pac football owns the city. Your lose that bet. The football numbers have been posted before, I don't care to look them up because frankly, it doesn't matter. |
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Post by 1611Luginbill on Jan 25, 2013 14:53:33 GMT -8
Pac-12 wins ratings simply because they have more games on Fox, ESPN, ESPN2, and CBS.
However, I think if you were to put the SDSU games against the Pac's secondary broadcasts on ESPNU, FSN, and Pac-12 TV, the ratings locally would be pretty close IMO.
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Post by AztecBill on Jan 25, 2013 14:57:04 GMT -8
Does anyone have any data for comparing TV ratings of SDSU vs PAC schools in basketball or football in San Diego County. I was just curious how much of the San Diego County TV market does the PAC have compared to SDSU football and basketball. Does SDSU draw better in SD or does the PAC draw better in SD? Some fans from the PAC consider that they aleady have a foothold in San Diego and that they own the San Diego County TV market. Is this actually true? Do we have numbers that supports such a claim? I would venture to guess that they don't considering Larry Scott admitted that San Diego is "a market that we are not in." no numbers to back it up... but i would bet we have the market for bball, while pac football owns the city. PAC football has no advantage over other good games. Michigan/Ohio State out rates Oregon/Oregon State. The real advantage to the PAC with an SDSU PAC member is to really own the city versus all comers. And an SDSU PAC would greatly out rate current PAC and current SDSU. |
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Post by dbauer on Jan 25, 2013 15:01:38 GMT -8
As a general statement I would say it's a wash. All of the success the men's BB has had, we have not seen much of an increase (overall anyway) in the viewing. There are the occasional game that will do well (UCLA, Syracuse, AZ), but in general the BB ratings are about the same as whatever the "big game" is on ESPN in any given week (about 15,000 HH's viewing).
Football numbers are about the same as they have been for the past few years, both on the cable nets and on KUSI, closer to 20,000 HH's, but most games still under that mark. Regular games on Fox, ABC, CBS all average 30,000+ HH's. USC games will do about the same, UCLA less. Not sure on the rest of the PAC, I will do some research and see what I can find. I will guess the AZ schools have a bit of a draw here as well. In the end my gut tells me that overall SDSU and the PAC schools in LA and AZ will be about even, within 10-15% of eachother in overall viewing for regular season games, if anythig a slight bump to the PAC 12 due to USC.
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Post by dbauer on Jan 25, 2013 15:03:40 GMT -8
to clarify, when I mean regular games on Fox, ABC, CBS I dont mean PAC 12, all conferences, PAC 12 included though.
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Post by monty on Jan 25, 2013 15:18:14 GMT -8
So, ESPN and Abc/fox ota have fairly steady viewership, and that is about equaled by whatever channel further up the dial the Aztecs happen to be on that day?
What is the change between viewership of espn/abc/fox ota before after the game; Aztecs on their channel du joer delta?
Do you think the channel(s) affect viewership, viz. how many people have access to cbs and nbc cable in the area vs espn and ota channels? Do you think the constant wack-a-mole channel changes affects viewership? Is there a difference between the over the air channels, espn, and then the channels the Aztecs are on.
Thanks for the info, as always.
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Post by dbauer on Jan 25, 2013 15:41:53 GMT -8
channel position for sure impacts viewership but in the sense that not all of the market has access to the channel. I will say though, that even when the Aztecs played on CH4 the numbers were fairly consistant with where they are now. In addition, the KUSI games do a slightly larger number than do the games on NBC Sports or CBS College Sports. The steady viewership is the thing for sure, everyone knows you'll get a SEC game on CBS each week so they tune in, same with Fox and ABC. Aztecs are just hard to find, hell I barely know half the time and we sell the games. Basketball this year has been on FSSD, FSW, ESPNU, TWCSN, CBS College Sports, NBC Sports
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Post by monty on Jan 25, 2013 15:47:11 GMT -8
so makes it more difficult, but what we see is what we get - that's basically the aztec audience.
One more question: The year that everything was basically on ch4 (if I remember correctly, mtn and cbs, maybe nbc games all were simulcast on ch4) was there any change in viewership?
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Post by dbauer on Jan 25, 2013 15:55:24 GMT -8
that one is hard only because we did not get simulcast numbers for the MTN or CBS College Sports, these nets never met the Nielsen minimum circulation to be measured. As far as the staright number goes on Ch4, it was about a 1.2-1.5 HH (season average, really has been since back to 2000, maybe 01 if I remember right, when we simulcasted ESPNU games), so a little better now, but overall a very small change.
The issues with the channel position is that they are typically tied to needing to have a certain tier of cable subscription, so not everyone in a market has the network. You're behind from the start. On a side note, NBC Sports and the "new" TV contract that bonuses teams who play on national TV (80m HH's+), NBC Sports is at just under that number, like 75 million subs. They will pass 80 million very soon. It could be a nice place for SDSU nationally, especially if the bonus plan in on.
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Post by NTU on Jan 25, 2013 16:15:47 GMT -8
that one is hard only because we did not get simulcast numbers for the MTN or CBS College Sports, these nets never met the Nielsen minimum circulation to be measured. As far as the staright number goes on Ch4, it was about a 1.2-1.5 HH (season average, really has been since back to 2000, maybe 01 if I remember right, when we simulcasted ESPNU games), so a little better now, but overall a very small change. The issues with the channel position is that they are typically tied to needing to have a certain tier of cable subscription, so not everyone in a market has the network. You're behind from the start. On a side note, NBC Sports and the "new" TV contract that bonuses teams who play on national TV (80m HH's+), NBC Sports is at just under that number, like 75 million subs. They will pass 80 million very soon. It could be a nice place for SDSU nationally, especially if the bonus plan in on. So once NBC Sports passes the 80 mil HH mark any games aired on that network will qualify for the bonus? I thought the contract laid out the specific networks that qualified, and NBC Sports wasn't on it? And what about the new Fox 1 when it launches? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 16:21:46 GMT -8
no numbers to back it up... but i would bet we have the market for bball, while pac football owns the city. PAC football has no advantage over other good games. Michigan/Ohio State out rates Oregon/Oregon State. The real advantage to the PAC with an SDSU PAC member is to really own the city versus all comers. And an SDSU PAC would greatly out rate current PAC and current SDSU. I've been saying this for years. The thing outsiders don't get is how much interest would rise if we were in the PAC or Big12. Whether thats ever happening? Probably not, but I bet you the market would be locked down if we were in one of those two conferences with games on ESPN or ESPN2 every week. The city and county combined are the 8th largest tv market in the land, can't believe the PAC doesn't want full ownership of those eyeballs. |
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Post by dbauer on Jan 25, 2013 17:06:53 GMT -8
that one is hard only because we did not get simulcast numbers for the MTN or CBS College Sports, these nets never met the Nielsen minimum circulation to be measured. As far as the staright number goes on Ch4, it was about a 1.2-1.5 HH (season average, really has been since back to 2000, maybe 01 if I remember right, when we simulcasted ESPNU games), so a little better now, but overall a very small change. The issues with the channel position is that they are typically tied to needing to have a certain tier of cable subscription, so not everyone in a market has the network. You're behind from the start. On a side note, NBC Sports and the "new" TV contract that bonuses teams who play on national TV (80m HH's+), NBC Sports is at just under that number, like 75 million subs. They will pass 80 million very soon. It could be a nice place for SDSU nationally, especially if the bonus plan in on. So once NBC Sports passes the 80 mil HH mark any games aired on that network will qualify for the bonus? I thought the contract laid out the specific networks that qualified, and NBC Sports wasn't on it? And what about the new Fox 1 when it launches? the way I read it was that it was any national net and then they defined it further as with a minimum distribution of 80m households, they listed the nets that currently achieve this threshhold: ESPN, ESPN2, etc.... I hope I am correct. I could be great for us. |
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Post by NTU on Jan 25, 2013 19:15:21 GMT -8
PAC football has no advantage over other good games. Michigan/Ohio State out rates Oregon/Oregon State. The real advantage to the PAC with an SDSU PAC member is to really own the city versus all comers. And an SDSU PAC would greatly out rate current PAC and current SDSU. I've been saying this for years. The thing outsiders don't get is how much interest would rise if we were in the PAC or Big12. Whether thats ever happening? Probably not, but I bet you the market would be locked down if we were in one of those two conferences with games on ESPN or ESPN2 every week. The city and county combined are the 8th largest tv market in the land, can't believe the PAC doesn't want full ownership of those eyeballs. Don't have to be in the Pac or Big XII, just need to get games on the bigger networks and we'll get a true apples to apples comparison. I'd say that the numbers are in SDSU's favor locally given the fact that the networks they're on have much smaller distribution. |
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Post by sidebar2319 on Jan 25, 2013 19:49:29 GMT -8
Does anyone have any data for comparing TV ratings of SDSU vs PAC schools in basketball or football in San Diego County. I was just curious how much of the San Diego County TV market does the PAC have compared to SDSU football and basketball. Does SDSU draw better in SD or does the PAC draw better in SD? Some fans from the PAC consider that they aleady have a foothold in San Diego and that they own the San Diego County TV market. Is this actually true? Do we have numbers that supports such a claim? I would venture to guess that they don't considering Larry Scott admitted that San Diego is "a market that we are not in." no numbers to back it up... but i would bet we have the market for bball, while pac football owns the city. I agree with this take. BB probably has SDSU holding it's own while FB has the PAC winning over. |
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Post by monty on Jan 25, 2013 19:53:45 GMT -8
no numbers to back it up... but i would bet we have the market for bball, while pac football owns the city. I agree with this take. BB probably has SDSU holding it's own while FB has the PAC winning over. So a guy works in the industry gives you numbers and Tshirts just say, yea, basketball is the a super number 1 ok. He said they both are doing the same as the other confs., fball has more viewers than bball. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 20:27:03 GMT -8
So a guy works in the industry gives you numbers and Tshirts just say, yea, basketball is the a super number 1 ok. He said they both are doing the same as the other confs., fball has more viewers than bball. Tshirt fans can't read. Even whats on the tshirts |
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Post by dbauer on Jan 28, 2013 12:41:14 GMT -8
pre-lim numbers (live + same day) for the SDSU v NM game on Sat:
1:00 p IVY LEAGUE BAS 0.69 7381
0.63 6759
1:30 p MOUNTAIN WEST 1.59 17148
2.31 24794
2:00 p MOUNTAIN WEST 1.82 19590
2.09 22423
2:30 p 2.48 26670
2.31 24812
UMD v Duke only did a .42 and the Farmers on Sat averaged a 1.96.
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Post by dbauer on Jan 28, 2013 12:48:29 GMT -8
Average was a 2.17 with 23,374 HH's watching
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