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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 7:56:03 GMT -8
Post by aztecswinagain on Jan 17, 2013 7:56:03 GMT -8
Loved the Way Winston played last night. The exciting thing about Winston is that ever after an 18,5,5 performance last night you still see that he hasn't come anywhere close to his ceiling.
On a side not Winston was at Chilli's of all places after the game last night around 10. A few fans came up to him and he came across as a very nice and humble kid.
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 8:24:51 GMT -8
Post by uwaztec on Jan 17, 2013 8:24:51 GMT -8
A lot of Winston's drives should have been "and ones" if he could finish. Love his aggressiveness, but at D-1 level you have to make those. JJ also kills us by not being able to finish. Looked like UNLV never failed to finish close.
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 8:35:03 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 8:35:03 GMT -8
He played a phenomenal game. He's going to be SOOOO good.
I feel like he thinks he's too cool to dunk the ball.
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 8:38:36 GMT -8
Post by wtf on Jan 17, 2013 8:38:36 GMT -8
Thames had a rough, cold night. ?!What?! Thames had 0 points and 0 assists. That is far worse than 'a rough, cold night'. He is hurt. He thinks he must be tough for the team. He is lying about his injury to 'help' the team. He is killing us. KILLING US. 0,0 is a pretty bad line for a point guard.
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 8:45:20 GMT -8
Post by bschmurda on Jan 17, 2013 8:45:20 GMT -8
Hes good at basketball, that shouldnt be a suprise
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 8:48:02 GMT -8
Post by montysrevenge on Jan 17, 2013 8:48:02 GMT -8
Lots of finger rolls after getting good penetration. I wish he would dunk it. Oldie Out couldn't agree more. He needs to get aggressive and bring it hard to the rack. Maybe a season with No Schnacks in the offseason will bring out the tiger.
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 9:20:03 GMT -8
Post by theoracle20 on Jan 17, 2013 9:20:03 GMT -8
Lots of finger rolls after getting good penetration. I wish he would dunk it. Oldie Out couldn't agree more. He needs to get aggressive and bring it hard to the rack. Maybe a season with No Schnacks in the offseason will bring out the tiger. Coach BBA doesn't let him to play
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 9:21:37 GMT -8
Post by sdsustoner on Jan 17, 2013 9:21:37 GMT -8
He showed a ton of potential last night. I loved his passing ability and the way he can blow past people. He needs to be a much better finisher. Like many have said, he missed a lot of shots.
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 9:41:26 GMT -8
Post by THEboomshakalakaSHOW on Jan 17, 2013 9:41:26 GMT -8
A simply beautiful game on offense. His development with the ball through half of a season. is probably the best we've seen out of a freshman in the Fisher era. He is doing much better. However... His half court D and defensive rebounding need a lot more work. And by a lot, I mean A LOT. He was party to the 2 other Aztecs down the stretch who got caught watching the game without a ticket and let the Rebels put in 6 crucial points off of offensive rebounds. It was really tough to watch. I saw something else. He was pretty much our best defender by far (or Sky) tonight. Did you see him on Bennett? That right there proved he can guard anyone. The offensive rebounds were a result of multiple other issues---guys collapsing on the shooter, not boxing out, etc. It certainly didn't appear to be because of Shepard's lack of defense. I saw that too! I was at the game and he was doing a hell of a job guarding bennett. Shep is going to be a great player and last night was our best defender.
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 10:46:43 GMT -8
Post by AztecBill on Jan 17, 2013 10:46:43 GMT -8
Shepard's one turnover should have been a spectacular assist. Rahon was ahead of the crowd and failed to curl toward the basket. Instead he continued toward the corner. Shepard threw a great pass that would have been perfect if Rahon did what he should have. Rahon should have run the football equivalent of a post pattern. That is what Shepard expected. When you are ahead of the pack look for the ball.
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 10:53:39 GMT -8
Post by neogeoaztec on Jan 17, 2013 10:53:39 GMT -8
I thought Winston had a great night also. He was aggressive to the hoop and showed why we recruited him so hard. I believe that once he gets more upper body strength, he will be able to make those layups for the "and-ones". He just doesn't have that yet, but it will come. When it does, watch out!
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 11:07:07 GMT -8
Post by untitled on Jan 17, 2013 11:07:07 GMT -8
I'm a believer. His jumper is still too strong (had like 2 bank shots) but having him and jammal racking up fouls for the opposition is always a good thing
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 13:30:09 GMT -8
Post by RB Aztec on Jan 17, 2013 13:30:09 GMT -8
The Oracle had been hating on Shepard this season, but the Oracle must admit that he did have a great game tonight. Hope this game continues to help build his confidence. On a slightly different topic, the one thing that drives the Oracle crazy about Shepard's game is that he doesn't have a soft touch. Sometimes it seems like he's throwing the ball at the basket. Is the Oracle the only person that is catching this? Agree with everything you said (except for your regular 3rd person crap). He does not know how to finish, which is amazing for such a high national recruit. His drive to the basket is beautiful and then he throws up a shot that looks like a 4th grader would make. Jamaal needs to show him how to slam that puppy home. Shep has the size to drive in and ram it down the hoop, or softly lay it in. Over time, he will get this right. He is just a freshman.
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 13:53:26 GMT -8
Post by Section T(urn Up) on Jan 17, 2013 13:53:26 GMT -8
The Oracle had been hating on Shepard this season, but the Oracle must admit that he did have a great game tonight. Hope this game continues to help build his confidence. On a slightly different topic, the one thing that drives the Oracle crazy about Shepard's game is that he doesn't have a soft touch. Sometimes it seems like he's throwing the ball at the basket. Is the Oracle the only person that is catching this? Agree with everything you said (except for your regular 3rd person crap). He does not know how to finish, which is amazing for such a high national recruit. His drive to the basket is beautiful and then he throws up a shot that looks like a 4th grader would make. Jamaal needs to show him how to slam that puppy home. Shep has the size to drive in and ram it down the hoop, or softly lay it in. Over time, he will get this right. He is just a freshman. I agree with everything you said except I'd rather Lorrenzo Wade show him how to finish through contact. Zo went up strong regularly--Jamaal doesn't really go up strong at all usually. He's a phenomenal athlete in the open court but when he's guarded he plays well below the rim.
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 14:03:08 GMT -8
Post by danloc09 on Jan 17, 2013 14:03:08 GMT -8
A lot of Winston's drives should have been "and ones" if he could finish. Love his aggressiveness, but at D-1 level you have to make those. JJ also kills us by not being able to finish. Looked like UNLV never failed to finish close. Absolutely. But I'd rather he have that ridiculous first step and have a hard time finishing than the other way around, if that makes sense.
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 14:03:31 GMT -8
Post by danloc09 on Jan 17, 2013 14:03:31 GMT -8
A simply beautiful game on offense. His development with the ball through half of a season. is probably the best we've seen out of a freshman in the Fisher era. He is doing much better. However... His half court D and defensive rebounding need a lot more work. And by a lot, I mean A LOT. He was party to the 2 other Aztecs down the stretch who got caught watching the game without a ticket and let the Rebels put in 6 crucial points off of offensive rebounds. It was really tough to watch. He got caught ball watching a lot last night
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 14:19:38 GMT -8
Post by aztecswinagain on Jan 17, 2013 14:19:38 GMT -8
Shepard's one turnover should have been a spectacular assist. Rahon was ahead of the crowd and failed to curl toward the basket. Instead he continued toward the corner. Shepard threw a great pass that would have been perfect if Rahon did what he should have. Rahon should have run the football equivalent of a post pattern. That is what Shepard expected. When you are ahead of the pack look for the ball. I was so frustrated watching that play. I was watching Rahon the whole way down and it just looked like he was half asleep.
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 16:31:08 GMT -8
Post by longtimebooster on Jan 17, 2013 16:31:08 GMT -8
Shepard's one turnover should have been a spectacular assist. Rahon was ahead of the crowd and failed to curl toward the basket. Instead he continued toward the corner. Shepard threw a great pass that would have been perfect if Rahon did what he should have. Rahon should have run the football equivalent of a post pattern. That is what Shepard expected. When you are ahead of the pack look for the ball. Saw that. Great observation. A couple of fans near me started griping that WSIII blew it. I set them straight right away. It was an awesome pass. The play was there. Rahon should've had a layup. Again, many of the issues with WS3's passing game aren't about WS3, but rather about his teammates. They aren't used to playing with a tall, gifted, NBA-caliber passer. Rahon didn't cut, because guys like Thames and Franklin (no knock on them, BTW) don't see the court the way WS3 does and can't rifle a ball 30 feet and hit a dime like WS3 does. Once the big men in particular, and even some of the guards get adjusted to WS3's play, they'll hopefully have their head on a swivel and always be attacking and moving, knowing a scoring opportunity is only a quick WS3 pass away.
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 16:36:31 GMT -8
Post by RB Aztec on Jan 17, 2013 16:36:31 GMT -8
Shepard's one turnover should have been a spectacular assist. Rahon was ahead of the crowd and failed to curl toward the basket. Instead he continued toward the corner. Shepard threw a great pass that would have been perfect if Rahon did what he should have. Rahon should have run the football equivalent of a post pattern. That is what Shepard expected. When you are ahead of the pack look for the ball. Saw that. Great observation. A couple of fans near me started griping that WSIII blew it. I set them straight right away. It was an awesome pass. The play was there. Rahon should've had a layup. Again, many of the issues with WS3's passing game aren't about WS3, but rather about his teammates. They aren't used to playing with a tall, gifted, NBA-caliber passer. Rahon didn't cut, because guys like Thames and Franklin (no knock on them, BTW) don't see the court the way WS3 does and can't rifle a ball 30 feet and hit a dime like WS3 does. Once the big men in particular, and even some of the guards get adjusted to WS3's play, they'll hopefully have their head on a swivel and always be attacking and moving, knowing a scoring opportunity is only a quick WS3 pass away. The guys next to me corrected me. I thought it was a crappy pass by Winston, but Rahon was not paying attention. Speaking of good passes, how about that assist that Winston got when he fired the ball to the open man under the basket from the 3 pt line! Winston looks to be an assist machine with is excellent view of the court.
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Winston
Jan 17, 2013 16:42:19 GMT -8
Post by longtimebooster on Jan 17, 2013 16:42:19 GMT -8
On another thread yesterday, I posited that WS3 would be truly great once he fixed the following three things (in no particular order):
1. FT shooting 2. Ability to go strong to the hoop and finish 3. Develop a mid-range jumper
Hopefully, the first item on the agenda is fixed. Of course, the jury is still out, and we'll see. But 10-12 (83%) is very impressive, especially coming from a guy who was shooting 48% from the line going into last night's game. If he can just keep it over, say, 70%, that would be fabulous.
The second item still very much needs work. As mentioned by one psotter, he doesn't seem to have much touch on his shots when he drives the lane. That's in addition to the fact that he simply can't finish. Whenever he gets jostled -- and he gets jostled a lot because he's as thin as a reed -- you can pretty much rest assured he'll miss. I think this item will have to wait for the off-season, much of which should be spent in the weight room.
As for the third item, it would be great if whatever he's doing at the FT line could translate to his mid-range or perimeter shot. He got lucky off a couple of banks last night. An outside game would make him an absolute nightmare to guard, especially by mismatched 6'3" guys.
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