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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 11:08:58 GMT -8
I am not ready to dispose of Rivers. That's a reach. He had a terrible game, but Quartrbacks are way too hard to find (good ones).
His problem is he is as immobile as Bernie Kosar was, and needs a very good O-line to have a chance. More so than most QBs. He doesn't have one.
His decision making last night was disgusting.
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Post by podpeople on Oct 16, 2012 11:26:11 GMT -8
I am not ready to dispose of Rivers. That's a reach. He had a terrible game, but Quartrbacks are way too hard to find (good ones). His problem is he is as immobile as Bernie Kosar was, and needs a very good O-line to have a chance. More so than most QBs. He doesn't have one. His decision making last night was disgusting. the Oline should have been first priority. AJ?
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Post by aztecalum02 on Oct 16, 2012 11:57:00 GMT -8
Gotta fire AJ too! Since he was the genius who hired Norval in the 1st place, who had an impressive resume as a head coach with a whopping .454 winning % in Washington, and .281 win % in Oakland....
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Post by Montezuma on Oct 16, 2012 12:03:52 GMT -8
Let see if I got this right, up 24 to 0 at half time and the Chargers who have ZERO running game are forced to make Rivers throw the ball in the second half and he proceeds to account for 5 turnovers in the second half? FIVE F'ing turn overs? A VETERAN QB!?!?! I did not watch because I KNEW that this time would do something stupid and they did. It if far time for AJ, Norv, Matthews and Rivers to leave. Did not AJ have a chance to get a Heisman Trophy winning RB from Alabama last year in the draft? I bet they could have even got Reggie Bush; the O'line could have been addressed through free agency. This team is a miss and heads will roll at season's end. FIVE 2nd half TURNOVERS!!!
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Post by podpeople on Oct 16, 2012 13:11:13 GMT -8
Let see if I got this right, up 24 to 0 at half time and the Chargers who have ZERO running game are forced to make Rivers throw the ball in the second half and he proceeds to account for 5 turnovers in the second half? FIVE F'ing turn overs? A VETERAN QB!?!?! I did not watch because I KNEW that this time would do something stupid and they did. It if far time for AJ, Norv, Matthews and Rivers to leave. Did not AJ have a chance to get a Heisman Trophy winning RB from Alabama last year in the draft? I bet they could have even got Reggie Bush; the O'line could have been addressed through free agency. This team is a miss and heads will roll at season's end. FIVE 2nd half TURNOVERS!!! yeah. I hear ya. however, the best QB's of all time have had games just as bad. I do recall Peyton throwing 4 INT's against us once or twice.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 14:30:16 GMT -8
Let see if I got this right, up 24 to 0 at half time and the Chargers who have ZERO running game are forced to make Rivers throw the ball in the second half and he proceeds to account for 5 turnovers in the second half? FIVE F'ing turn overs? A VETERAN QB!?!?! I did not watch because I KNEW that this time would do something stupid and they did. It if far time for AJ, Norv, Matthews and Rivers to leave. Did not AJ have a chance to get a Heisman Trophy winning RB from Alabama last year in the draft? I bet they could have even got Reggie Bush; the O'line could have been addressed through free agency. This team is a miss and heads will roll at season's end. FIVE 2nd half TURNOVERS!!! ZERO running game? Which running back are you watching? Mathews is averaging 4.5 YPC this season. We need a true commitment to the rushing attack.
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Post by azson on Oct 16, 2012 14:50:07 GMT -8
Let see if I got this right, up 24 to 0 at half time and the Chargers who have ZERO running game are forced to make Rivers throw the ball in the second half and he proceeds to account for 5 turnovers in the second half? FIVE F'ing turn overs? A VETERAN QB!?!?! I did not watch because I KNEW that this time would do something stupid and they did. It if far time for AJ, Norv, Matthews and Rivers to leave. Did not AJ have a chance to get a Heisman Trophy winning RB from Alabama last year in the draft? I bet they could have even got Reggie Bush; the O'line could have been addressed through free agency. This team is a miss and heads will roll at season's end. FIVE 2nd half TURNOVERS!!! ZERO running game? Which running back are you watching? Mathews is averaging 4.5 YPC this season. We need a true commitment to the rushing attack. +1
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Post by davdesid on Oct 16, 2012 15:52:59 GMT -8
+2
Same ol' same ol' with Norv.
Just like the Saints game.
Mathews was smoking them in both games on the ground, and was averaging good yardage thru the air.
There were certainly some s#!++y calls by the Zebras, but Norv's halftime adjustments guaranteed losses in both games.
Spanos should have fired Norv years ago (should never have hired him in the first place), but last night he should have walked out on the field before everyone had made it to the exits and handed him his pink slip.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 16, 2012 19:12:22 GMT -8
I think Rivers gets too nervous back there with his shaky O'line. It's in his head now. He's too worried about the rush, and rushing his throws.
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Oct 16, 2012 19:55:46 GMT -8
As for Norv, I noted with interest and surprise when someone here wrote that he has the best winning percentage in Chargers history. I just looked it up and it's not even really close. I'm not saying that I love his "leadership" skills (remember, Ted Tollner is a close friend of Norv's), but it's hard to gas the most successful coach you've ever had. Huh? Sid Gillman had a better winning % than Norv. And both Bobby Ross and Marty Schottenheimer were 47-33 in their first 5 years as coach. Very close to Norv's 49-31. Where does this "not even really close" bull$#!+ come from?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 20:15:51 GMT -8
Huh? Sid Gillman had a better winning % than Norv. And both Bobby Ross and Marty Schottenheimer were 47-33 in their first 5 years as coach. Very close to Norv's 49-31. Where does this "not even really close" bull$#!+ come from? Norv does have the best win %- for now. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_San_Diego_Chargers_head_coaches
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 16, 2012 20:21:19 GMT -8
As for Norv, I noted with interest and surprise when someone here wrote that he has the best winning percentage in Chargers history. I just looked it up and it's not even really close. I'm not saying that I love his "leadership" skills (remember, Ted Tollner is a close friend of Norv's), but it's hard to gas the most successful coach you've ever had. Huh? Sid Gillman had a better winning % than Norv. And both Bobby Ross and Marty Schottenheimer were 47-33 in their first 5 years as coach. Very close to Norv's 49-31. Where does this "not even really close" bull$#!+ come from? You're wrong Gillman.
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Oct 17, 2012 20:23:16 GMT -8
Huh? Sid Gillman had a better winning % than Norv. And both Bobby Ross and Marty Schottenheimer were 47-33 in their first 5 years as coach. Very close to Norv's 49-31. Where does this "not even really close" bull$#!+ come from? Norv does have the best win %- for now. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_San_Diego_Chargers_head_coachesThe site is wrong. It has Gillman with a regular season record of 86-53-6 (correct) and a winning PCT of .593 (not correct). The winning PCT would only be correct if the 6 ties were actually losses. Gillman had a better record (admittedly barely) entering 2012. With Norv's 3-3 start Gillman's record is that much better.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 20:32:38 GMT -8
The site is wrong. It has Gillman with a regular season record of 86-53-6 (correct) and a winning PCT of .593 (not correct). The winning PCT would only be correct if the 6 ties were actually losses. Its WINNING %. The ties AREN'T wins- may as count them as losses. TOTAL games is 145. 86/145= .593%. The site is correct.
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Oct 17, 2012 20:50:33 GMT -8
The site is wrong. It has Gillman with a regular season record of 86-53-6 (correct) and a winning PCT of .593 (not correct). The winning PCT would only be correct if the 6 ties were actually losses. Its WINNING %. The ties AREN'T wins- may as count them as losses. TOTAL games is 145. 86/145= .593%. The site is correct. Wrong. It's a Win and Loss PCT. Check out 1965. They are actually throwing out the ties in the calc. I'd count them 1/2 win and 1/2 loss myself. www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1965_AFL/Different eras. Gillman does not get dinged for ties when Norv gets another chance in OT.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 21:04:59 GMT -8
Its WINNING %. The ties AREN'T wins- may as count them as losses. TOTAL games is 145. 86/145= .593%. The site is correct. Wrong. It's a Win and Loss PCT. Check out 1965. They are actually throwing out the ties in the calc. I'd count them 1/2 win and 1/2 loss myself. www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1965_AFL/Different eras. Gillman does not get dinged for ties when Norv gets another chance in OT. Um ok . The chart in the link I provided clearly says Win%. And though its wikipedia, the math is correct. In your site you say "they" are "throwing out the ties". So I guess those games were never played? And just who exactly are "they" anyway?
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Oct 19, 2012 21:51:52 GMT -8
Um ok . The chart in the link I provided clearly says Win%. And though its wikipedia, the math is correct. In your site you say "they" are "throwing out the ties". So I guess those games were never played? And just who exactly are "they" anyway? You can't count Gillman's ties against him unless you count Turner's OT games the same way, as losses. Then apples to apples, but still inaccurate for both coaches. The Pro-Football Reference site is more useful and accurate than the Wikipedia B.S.
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Post by davdesid on Oct 21, 2012 14:40:40 GMT -8
Rivers is like the little girl with a curl.
When he's good, he's very very good.
When he's bad, he STINKS.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 28, 2012 12:05:31 GMT -8
After this loss to pathetic Cleveland I think it's clear - Norv, AJ, AND Rivers all have to go.
Clean house, reboot, reimagine, and restart.
Enough is enough - and we had enough of this story two years ago...
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Post by Deja Vu U Monty on Oct 28, 2012 12:15:19 GMT -8
Are you sure these offensive geniuses are going to go? I mean they did engineer two fantastic field goals. Knowing Spanos, he may be thinking contract extensions for the bunch of them.
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