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Post by aztec70 on Oct 16, 2012 6:54:31 GMT -8
I am not writing a dissertation, Stu. I posted a question for discussion, and you, however, seem obliged to argue about anything I post on the political forums. It please me to know how deep I am into your head. Nope. I'm curious why you thought it was an issue, invoking Hitler is pretty alarmist. Mussolini, not so much. Isn't the idea of a political forum to discuss/ argue? It's sport, right? At least better than talking the merits of Norv Turner. Right? We all agree, other than NTU, that he should be fired..... Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards Why don't you read the links I posted. You address none of them. I think it is disturbing that police have attacked Greek citizens protesting against fascism, I am disturbed that Golden Dawn denys the Halocaust, I am disturbed that they blame the financial crisis on "the Jews", I am disturbed by the symbols of Nazism that Golden Dawn uses, I am disturbed that Golden Dawn has assumed a social welfare role in Greece as the government can no longer afford to do so, I am disturbed that a fascist party is popular enough to have seats in the Greek Parliament. Do you think any of that is good for Greece? I am old enough to remember military dictatorship in Greece. Fascism does not allow other political partys to exist. I prefer democracy to dictatorships. Will there be a fascist dictatorship in Greece? I don't know. Fascism breeds in bad times. Greece is in bad times. Facism is growing there. Conservatives want Greece to suffer more. Watch out for unintended consequences, Conservatives.
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Post by aztecwin on Oct 16, 2012 15:55:23 GMT -8
Nope. I'm curious why you thought it was an issue, invoking Hitler is pretty alarmist. Mussolini, not so much. Isn't the idea of a political forum to discuss/ argue? It's sport, right? At least better than talking the merits of Norv Turner. Right? We all agree, other than NTU, that he should be fired..... Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards Why don't you read the links I posted. You address none of them. I think it is disturbing that police have attacked Greek citizens protesting against fascism, I am disturbed that Golden Dawn denys the Halocaust, I am disturbed that they blame the financial crisis on "the Jews", I am disturbed by the symbols of Nazism that Golden Dawn uses, I am disturbed that Golden Dawn has assumed a social welfare role in Greece as the government can no longer afford to do so, I am disturbed that a fascist party is popular enough to have seats in the Greek Parliament. Do you think any of that is good for Greece? I am old enough to remember military dictatorship in Greece. Fascism does not allow other political partys to exist. I prefer democracy to dictatorships. Will there be a fascist dictatorship in Greece? I don't know. Fascism breeds in bad times. Greece is in bad times. Facism is growing there. Conservatives want Greece to suffer more. Watch out for unintended consequences, Conservatives. I think people are waiting to address your links until after you give your plan for how to handle the Greece issue both here and on the other thread. Tick! Tock!
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Post by aztec70 on Oct 16, 2012 19:55:53 GMT -8
Why don't you read the links I posted. You address none of them. I think it is disturbing that police have attacked Greek citizens protesting against fascism, I am disturbed that Golden Dawn denys the Halocaust, I am disturbed that they blame the financial crisis on "the Jews", I am disturbed by the symbols of Nazism that Golden Dawn uses, I am disturbed that Golden Dawn has assumed a social welfare role in Greece as the government can no longer afford to do so, I am disturbed that a fascist party is popular enough to have seats in the Greek Parliament. Do you think any of that is good for Greece? I am old enough to remember military dictatorship in Greece. Fascism does not allow other political partys to exist. I prefer democracy to dictatorships. Will there be a fascist dictatorship in Greece? I don't know. Fascism breeds in bad times. Greece is in bad times. Facism is growing there. Conservatives want Greece to suffer more. Watch out for unintended consequences, Conservatives. I think people are waiting to address your links until after you give your plan for how to handle the Greece issue both here and on the other thread. Tick! Tock! I have a secret plan. It would take to long to explain it. Just trust me. Now really, are you people so stupid that you think I have plan to save Greece? Did you think I am suddenly the Sec. of State? I ask a question, point out some disturbing trends in Greece and you want a precise plan to save Greece. Just how stupid are you?
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Post by aztecwin on Oct 17, 2012 12:22:54 GMT -8
I think people are waiting to address your links until after you give your plan for how to handle the Greece issue both here and on the other thread. Tick! Tock! I have a secret plan. It would take to long to explain it. Just trust me. Now really, are you people so stupid that you think I have plan to save Greece? Did you think I am suddenly the Sec. of State? I ask a question, point out some disturbing trends in Greece and you want a precise plan to save Greece. Just how stupid are you? You brought it on yourself with trite simple remarks. We all know you have no plan for Greece or anything else. For goodness sake, you can't even do =Bob's tax return.
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Post by aztec70 on Oct 17, 2012 12:34:45 GMT -8
I have a secret plan. It would take to long to explain it. Just trust me. Now really, are you people so stupid that you think I have plan to save Greece? Did you think I am suddenly the Sec. of State? I ask a question, point out some disturbing trends in Greece and you want a precise plan to save Greece. Just how stupid are you? You brought it on yourself with trite simple remarks. We all know you have no plan for Greece or anything else. For goodness sake, you can't even do =Bob's tax return. LOL
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Post by aztec70 on Oct 17, 2012 12:41:45 GMT -8
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Post by 78aztec82 on Oct 18, 2012 1:13:21 GMT -8
Nope. I'm curious why you thought it was an issue, invoking Hitler is pretty alarmist. Mussolini, not so much. Isn't the idea of a political forum to discuss/ argue? It's sport, right? At least better than talking the merits of Norv Turner. Right? We all agree, other than NTU, that he should be fired..... Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards Why don't you read the links I posted. You address none of them. I think it is disturbing that police have attacked Greek citizens protesting against fascism, I am disturbed that Golden Dawn denys the Halocaust, I am disturbed that they blame the financial crisis on "the Jews", I am disturbed by the symbols of Nazism that Golden Dawn uses, I am disturbed that Golden Dawn has assumed a social welfare role in Greece as the government can no longer afford to do so, I am disturbed that a fascist party is popular enough to have seats in the Greek Parliament. Do you think any of that is good for Greece? I am old enough to remember military dictatorship in Greece. Fascism does not allow other political partys to exist. I prefer democracy to dictatorships. Will there be a fascist dictatorship in Greece? I don't know. Fascism breeds in bad times. Greece is in bad times. Facism is growing there. Conservatives want Greece to suffer more. Watch out for unintended consequences, Conservatives. As a rule, I really don't respond to simple links. I will respond when someone posts one the tells me why it bothers them and engage on that point. Fascism is merely a form of government I happen to dislike, like communism, it puts too much power in the hands of the government. The real problem is the "who" behind the movement. So, is this group viable? Having seats in a parliament isn't really a driver as many radicals have seats. Can they put together any form of controlling block? Heck, we've had right and left wing radicals in our state and federal houses. I am never worried about that. We have the same sort of group littered throughout the country but frankly, they are toothless. Like I asked before, what is the expected outcome? Are they viable? Will they affect anything outside their borders? If those people chose to elect a government like that and it isn't an external problem, then frankly, they have the right to do it. They still have to meet certain international and EU standards for human rights, so they'll have plenty if minders. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by aztec70 on Oct 18, 2012 7:11:20 GMT -8
Pease tell me the names of left and right wing radicals in our state and federal legislatures.
As to expected outcomes. I can not predict the future. No one can.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Oct 18, 2012 8:55:41 GMT -8
History has shown that fascist groups become popular when things go bad and the majority population believes that they have lost control and need a scapegoat. That is what is happening in Greece right now. The analogy to the early days of Hitler and Mussolini are valid ones. I don't see a Hitler taking control in Greece but a Mussolini type is possible. I also can see the military reasserting control.
What really bothers me about this fascist movement in Greece is that they seem to have many members or supporters in the police. "Turning over carts while the police stood by and did nothing" is exactly how Hitler's brown shirts became so powerful.
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Post by aztecwin on Oct 18, 2012 13:58:56 GMT -8
History has shown that fascist groups become popular when things go bad and the majority population believes that they have lost control and need a scapegoat. That is what is happening in Greece right now. The analogy to the early days of Hitler and Mussolini are valid ones. I don't see a Hitler taking control in Greece but a Mussolini type is possible. I also can see the military reasserting control. What really bothers me about this fascist movement in Greece is that they seem to have many members or supporters in the police. "Turning over carts while the police stood by and did nothing" is exactly how Hitler's brown shirts became so powerful. Can't say for certain if your concerns are real or not. What I can say is that liberal policy and the failure of that policy is what has created the conditions that now exist. There just might be a lesson there for us all.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Oct 18, 2012 14:05:21 GMT -8
Pease tell me the names of left and right wing radicals in our state and federal legislatures. As to expected outcomes. I can not predict the future. No one can. David Dukes and Bobby Rush come to immediate mind, Ron Dellums is another. Apparently, if you used ATalk Political board as a gauge of extremism, apparently being involved with the Tea Party movement qualifies... Regardless, the idea of evoking Hitler and his waste should be supported by some vision and prospect of the reality of it happening. I gave reasons why I thought it wouldn't and challenged the same. So, there are radicals in every country. We have the various neo-nazi groups, separatists, ANSWER, ALF, Radical Islamist sympathizers, ELF, etc but frankly, they offer no threat to our governance, just some mayhem and murder.
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Post by aztec70 on Oct 18, 2012 15:19:45 GMT -8
Pease tell me the names of left and right wing radicals in our state and federal legislatures. As to expected outcomes. I can not predict the future. No one can. David Dukes and Bobby Rush come to immediate mind, Ron Dellums is another. Apparently, if you used ATalk Political board as a gauge of extremism, apparently being involved with the Tea Party movement qualifies... Regardless, the idea of evoking Hitler and his waste should be supported by some vision and prospect of the reality of it happening. I gave reasons why I thought it wouldn't and challenged the same. So, there are radicals in every country. We have the various neo-nazi groups, separatists, ANSWER, ALF, Radical Islamist sympathizers, ELF, etc but frankly, they offer no threat to our governance, just some mayhem and murder. Did any of those three lead mobs during their time in office? Golden Dawn members do. Ron Dellums? Liberal, but radical? Bobby Rush, radical at one time, but not for years. They will not pass muster as radicals in office.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Oct 18, 2012 18:03:25 GMT -8
David Dukes and Bobby Rush come to immediate mind, Ron Dellums is another. Apparently, if you used ATalk Political board as a gauge of extremism, apparently being involved with the Tea Party movement qualifies... Regardless, the idea of evoking Hitler and his waste should be supported by some vision and prospect of the reality of it happening. I gave reasons why I thought it wouldn't and challenged the same. So, there are radicals in every country. We have the various neo-nazi groups, separatists, ANSWER, ALF, Radical Islamist sympathizers, ELF, etc but frankly, they offer no threat to our governance, just some mayhem and murder. Did any of those three lead mobs during their time in office? Golden Dawn members do. Ron Dellums? Liberal, but radical? Bobby Rush, radical at one time, but not for years. They will not pass muster as radicals in office. The point is that one can be argumentative but in the end you need to lay out why it is a real concern rather than illuminating bad guys with no real impact outside. Are they electable or able to cobble together a ruling coalition? What is the analysis? Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by aztec70 on Oct 18, 2012 20:14:11 GMT -8
Did any of those three lead mobs during their time in office? Golden Dawn members do. Ron Dellums? Liberal, but radical? Bobby Rush, radical at one time, but not for years. They will not pass muster as radicals in office. The point is that one can be argumentative but in the end you need to lay out why it is a real concern rather than illuminating bad guys with no real impact outside. Are they electable or able to cobble together a ruling coalition? What is the analysis? Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards I suggest you read the articles I have posted and address the issues that are raised in them. All you have said is a little mayhem and murder is just par for the course, and you don't Greece will start a war of conquest in Europe anytime soon. Insightful. You seem to think I am working for the State Dept. and just happen to submit my reports on to this obscure political board. Analysis, my anal orifice. Speaking of argumentative, I could post that water is wet and you would disagree. That is funny, and sad.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Oct 19, 2012 1:06:06 GMT -8
The point is that one can be argumentative but in the end you need to lay out why it is a real concern rather than illuminating bad guys with no real impact outside. Are they electable or able to cobble together a ruling coalition? What is the analysis? Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards I suggest you read the articles I have posted and address the issues that are raised in them. All you have said is a little mayhem and murder is just par for the course, and you don't Greece will start a war of conquest in Europe anytime soon. Insightful. You seem to think I am working for the State Dept. and just happen to submit my reports on to this obscure political board. Analysis, my anal orifice. Speaking of argumentative, I could post that water is wet and you would disagree. That is funny, and sad. It's a discussion board, i can read articles all day, I'm interested in what people think and why. That's kind of the point to me, it's all sport in the end. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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