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Post by badfish on Oct 1, 2012 7:38:24 GMT -8
Whether you want to admit it or not, thats exactly what this is. You don't lose one of your best QB's and one of your best RB's in school history and continue to roll the next year. Our team is young and our guys are getting lots of experience in time for the BE. According to our current depth chart, in 2013 we will have 8 returning starters on offense (don't think Escobar will be leaving early), returning kickers and 9 returning starters on defense.
I'm not making excuses for Rocky at all, I think he needs to win a bowl game this year or he's gone, I'm just trying to put this all in perspective. I think Katz is doing well, he had 1 bad game, but we do need to get the other guys some reps too. Hopefully lot's of young guys get reps in the next few games.
Go Aztecs!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 7:43:15 GMT -8
I thought year 4 was supposed to be the year we were supposed to thrive. That's what Rocky said.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Oct 1, 2012 7:44:43 GMT -8
It is a rebuilding year, but not because of the skill positions.
OL and DL, turnover there hurts.
But the reality is that kids graduate every year, so what we are experiencing is not the rebuild bu the failure of recruiting 4-5 years ago.
Even then, the current staff could have filled with JUCO's the past two years for OT's and DT's.
In any event, rebuild is just another way of saying we failed to recruit in the previous years at some point.
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Post by badfish on Oct 1, 2012 7:45:46 GMT -8
It is a rebuilding year, but not because of the skill positions. OL and DL, turnover there hurts. But the reality is that kids graduate every year, so what we are experiencing is not the rebuild bu the failure of recruiting 4-5 years ago. Even then, the current staff could have filled with JUCO's the past two years for OT's and DT's. In any event, rebuild is just another way of saying we failed to recruit in the previous years at some point. I totally agree. I'm not ready to give up on this season, but I'm just saying there is light at the end of the tunnel.
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Post by GothamCityRogue on Oct 1, 2012 7:49:18 GMT -8
That explains why we've only beaten a FBS team that's winless, slipped by a FCS team with a winning record and lost to FBS teams than show a sign of a pulse.
Rocky said repeatedly said during fall camp that the O and D lines would improve as the season went on. I haven't observed any progress, yet.
I'm disappointed, but I also still have faith.
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Post by cc on Oct 1, 2012 8:02:54 GMT -8
This is not a rebuilding year. This is a year we should be challenging for the MWC title.
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Post by RockNFish on Oct 1, 2012 8:16:53 GMT -8
It is a rebuilding year, but not because of the skill positions. OL and DL, turnover there hurts. But the reality is that kids graduate every year, so what we are experiencing is not the rebuild bu the failure of recruiting 4-5 years ago. Even then, the current staff could have filled with JUCO's the past two years for OT's and DT's. In any event, rebuild is just another way of saying we failed to recruit in the previous years at some point. Hard to keep up with the depth charts - but looks like we'll loss 2 starting O-line this year and 0 D-line (in fact, other than the 2 conners, D is going have quite a bit of experience). Everyone gets excited about returning skill positions, but the lines are what truely matter. Hopefully this is a good sign for the D next year. Also, hoping the JC transfers o-lineman that didn't make it in this past fall can qualify for spring.
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Post by GothamCityRogue on Oct 1, 2012 8:20:40 GMT -8
This is not a rebuilding year. This is a year we should be challenging for the MWC title. +1
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Oct 1, 2012 8:23:00 GMT -8
It is a rebuilding year, but not because of the skill positions. OL and DL, turnover there hurts. But the reality is that kids graduate every year, so what we are experiencing is not the rebuild bu the failure of recruiting 4-5 years ago. Even then, the current staff could have filled with JUCO's the past two years for OT's and DT's. In any event, rebuild is just another way of saying we failed to recruit in the previous years at some point. Rebuild it and they will come!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 8:34:51 GMT -8
It is a rebuilding year, but not because of the skill positions. OL and DL, turnover there hurts. But the reality is that kids graduate every year, so what we are experiencing is not the rebuild bu the failure of recruiting 4-5 years ago. Even then, the current staff could have filled with JUCO's the past two years for OT's and DT's. In any event, rebuild is just another way of saying we failed to recruit in the previous years at some point. Everything above. Oh and I wish I could be optimistic about the defense next year because almost everybody but McFadden returns but we are really lacking in certain areas. We've got an inside LB who's got a great motor but is much too small for the position, we've got other LBs or whatever name Rocky gives them who can't put any pressure on the QB when they blitz, we've got some cover guys who don't cover well and one whose name shall go unmentioned who I don't think can tackle well either. We've still got some schollies left so I sure would like to see them start offering some JUCO kids who can play immediately. Otherwise it could be ugly again next year with us moving up in conference class.
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Post by dp on Oct 1, 2012 9:16:27 GMT -8
The secondary has been embarrassing this season. It's the area with the some of the most experience on the team. The coaching staff has got to do a better job in pass defense. There has to be better options at DE or OLB to provide some pressure on the QB, because who's playing there just isn't getting the job done. There has to be a mean SOB on the defensive side of the ball, and that SOB just isn't there this season. Ive been disappointed with Sandifer 6 catches thru 4 gms and Denso with only 2 catches after having 49 last season. Tough to rag on the offense, but those two stats stood out to me.
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Post by nctyaztec on Oct 1, 2012 9:19:46 GMT -8
Next year will be a rebuild year too because we will be breaking in a new QB. Yep, this is year 4 and most of the pieces are already according to Rocky.
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Post by namssa on Oct 1, 2012 11:49:02 GMT -8
Rocky always said it was a 5 year process. So looks like next year...
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Oct 1, 2012 11:55:16 GMT -8
Is all of this Rocky's fault and not Brady's? Or is this Rocky and Brady's fault? I know I am getting old, but isn't this the start of Rocky's second year?
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 1, 2012 12:16:35 GMT -8
Here is one thing to consider. People say this is year four. Year four of what? Were Brady Hoke still here it would be his fourth year. He took some good assistants with him. Also, we don't know how many additional above average recruits would have come here had Brady stayed.
The point is this; the program did suffer from the departure of Brady Hoke. How much damage was done is very hard to determine, of course. Still, I would think that Rocky Long should be given at least another year to make this program his. If things don't get better or actually get worse in 2013, then it will be time to see if somebody else should be brought in.
I'm still not giving up on 2012. There is time for the team to show improvement and win some important games. 7-5 does not look, to me at least, out of the question. First, lets beat Hawaii.
AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 1, 2012 12:19:22 GMT -8
Is all of this Rocky's fault and not Brady's? Or is this Rocky and Brady's fault? I know I am getting old, but isn't this the start of Rocky's second year? I step away from the computer for a few minutes with my post not quite finished and you beat me to it! But you are correct. It is too early to call for Rocky's firing. On the other hand, it is not too early to see that things need to get better. How to make those things better is the question. AzWm
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Post by csaztec on Oct 1, 2012 15:23:27 GMT -8
Boise State lost their Qb and top running back and alot of their OLine and Dline to the NFL. Are they in rebuild mode? Peterson gets the most out of his players. Thats what Rocky needs to do. I am tired of the excuses. They keep winning with 2-3 star players. Thats what good coaches do.
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Post by RB Aztec on Oct 1, 2012 15:39:09 GMT -8
Whether you want to admit it or not, thats exactly what this is. You don't lose one of your best QB's and one of your best RB's in school history and continue to roll the next year. Our team is young and our guys are getting lots of experience in time for the BE. According to our current depth chart, in 2013 we will have 8 returning starters on offense (don't think Escobar will be leaving early), returning kickers and 9 returning starters on defense. I'm not making excuses for Rocky at all, I think he needs to win a bowl game this year or he's gone, I'm just trying to put this all in perspective. I think Katz is doing well, he had 1 bad game, but we do need to get the other guys some reps too. Hopefully lot's of young guys get reps in the next few games. Go Aztecs! Our offense if doing fine. It is the pass defense and special teams that is losing all the games for us.
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Post by tttrojan4life on Oct 1, 2012 15:44:19 GMT -8
Rebuilding is a euphemism for losing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 15:50:15 GMT -8
That explains why we've only beaten a FBS team that's winless, slipped by a FCS team with a winning record and lost to FBS teams than show a sign of a pulse. Rocky said repeatedly said during fall camp that the O and D lines would improve as the season went on. I haven't observed any progress, yet. I'm disappointed, but I also still have faith. FBS teams that have a pulse? UW, SJSU, and FSU all have winning records, UW has a win over a top 10 team, SJSU has a top 25 passing game, and FSU was top 25 in passing and rushing before the game on Saturday. If anything, we are 2-3, with all 3 loses being winnable games, meaning we are closer than it seems to being successful. If the trend continues into next year then be worried. But when you are young with no real leadership on offense or defense (mcFadden is good, but more of a lead by example type) then you are going to lose the close ones. The last 4 games, plus a bowl (if we make it), will tell us more about next year then the first 5 games this season. For now I have to admit that although I'm dissapointed this team is performing to expectations.
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