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Post by tttrojan4life on Sept 30, 2012 10:22:07 GMT -8
If 7-5 is good, god help us all! Obviously there has been deviation from Hoke's vision of a tough physical program. I thought the team would have progressed more.
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Post by aztecvatar on Sept 30, 2012 10:23:01 GMT -8
i wanted Rocky out before, during and after last season...I wouldn't be mad if we lose out and his ass gets fired.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 10:26:52 GMT -8
Sterk is going to fire a coach with a 7-5 Record? If we go 7-5, and I think we still will because of how horrendously bad several of our remaining opponents are, there's no doubt Rocky will be back. But I'll make you this prediction. If we instead finish 5-7 or even 4-8, he will resign. No way we could finish with a losing record? Fresno out first downed us 32-14. As Rocky himself said when interviewed after the game, take away the two pick sixes and the final score wasn't even close. Speaking of which, will the idiot who kept criticizing McFadden last night because he got beat a couple times just go away? Nobody else on the D is even half as good as Leon. Agree on all accounts. I htink 6-6 is more likley than 7 -5. A loss to CSU or Hawaii will lead to a meltdown and 4-8 . Rocky will retire with a losing season or take a job as DC somewhere. When do we know the contract for TV it will not be by the end of the season and that will keep s from hiring someone. Although If Rocky retires Dykes and Anderson make much less.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 10:37:18 GMT -8
Steve, ESPN's exclusive negotiating rights with the BE end November 1. So particularly because there have already been plenty of signs that ESPN is concerned as hell about losing its contract with the BE, it's pretty much known the BE has already been contacted by NBC and Fox. So I would say it's quite possible the BE will have a pretty good idea about the parameters of its new TV deal by the time we finish the season on November 24.
I don't understand why some keep referencing the buyout. Attention to those who are. It is not close to the same situation as with Chuck Long. Chuck was still owed two years at ~$715 per, or close to a million and a half dollars. For Rocky, it's just $315K. Plus we're going to be earning at least $5M more per year in TV revenue. Bottom line is the buyout is not in the slightest an incentive to keep Rocky around. It's simply pocket change these days.
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Post by killiansc on Sept 30, 2012 10:39:36 GMT -8
Steve, ESPN's exclusive negotiating rights with the BE end November 1. So particularly because there have already been plenty of signs that ESPN is concerned as hell about losing its contract with the BE, it's pretty much known the BE has already been contacted by NBC and Fox. So I would say it's quite possible the BE will have a pretty good idea about the parameters of its new TV deal by the time we finish the season on November 24. I don't understand why some keep referencing the buyout. Attention to those who are. It is not close to the same situation as with Chuck Long. Chuck was still owed two years at ~$715 per, or close to a million and a half dollars. For Rocky, it's just $315K. Plus we're going to be earning at least $5M more per year in TV revenue. Bottom line is the buyout is not in the slightest an incentive to keep Rocky around. It's simply pocket change these days. Correct a buy out would be chump change.
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Post by Doug Drake on Sept 30, 2012 10:47:58 GMT -8
Heh heh. The "buyout" might be a lot bigger than that. How long it would take for Rocky to become "vested" in the CSU system so that he's assured a pension? I'm starting to think that this is why he took this job. At least maybe someone can answer the above question so that we'll know how long we have to wait for him to quit. He took the job because he was already here and they quadrupled his salary. I believe he also owned a home here so it was an easy choice for him. If this lousy performance continues Sterk's may have made a poor choice. Long did say we would be inexperienced on both lines this year and we have los six guys to the NFL from the 2010 Hoke team. Still, no excuse for the special teams breakdowns.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 11:05:46 GMT -8
Heh heh. The "buyout" might be a lot bigger than that. How long it would take for Rocky to become "vested" in the CSU system so that he's assured a pension? I'm starting to think that this is why he took this job. At least maybe someone can answer the above question so that we'll know how long we have to wait for him to quit. He took the job because he was already here and they quadrupled his salary. I believe he also owned a home here so it was an easy choice for him. If this lousy performance continues Sterk's may have made a poor choice. Long did say we would be inexperienced on both lines this year and we have los six guys to the NFL from the 2010 Hoke team. Still, no excuse for the special teams breakdowns. It's now known Rocky applied for the job when Schemmel hired Chuck Long and he lived in L.A. for several years when he worked for Bob Toledo at UCLA so he was no stranger to SoCal. The 3-3-5 is a "high risk/high reward" defense yet Fresno threw the ball a whopping 56 times and we failed to register even one sack. I can't imagine a more obvious example of how this team is not progressing or even regressing. That's all on Rocky since he's the defensive coordinator. I fully expect us to finish 6-6 and for Rocky to return. However, he damn well better hire a defensive coordinator and stop doing it himself.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 30, 2012 12:48:56 GMT -8
He took the job because he was already here and they quadrupled his salary. I believe he also owned a home here so it was an easy choice for him. If this lousy performance continues Sterk's may have made a poor choice. Long did say we would be inexperienced on both lines this year and we have los six guys to the NFL from the 2010 Hoke team. Still, no excuse for the special teams breakdowns. It's now known Rocky applied for the job when Schemmel hired Chuck Long and he lived in L.A. for several years when he worked for Bob Toledo at UCLA so he was no stranger to SoCal. The 3-3-5 is a "high risk/high reward" defense yet Fresno threw the ball a whopping 56 times and we failed to register even one sack. I can't imagine a more obvious example of how this team is not progressing or even regressing. That's all on Rocky since he's the defensive coordinator. I fully expect us to finish 6-6 and for Rocky to return. However, he damn well better hire a defensive coordinator and stop doing it himself. I don't think a new DC would matter at this point. Obviously we don't even have the right players for his "lightweight" concept. We're going to get shoved around in the BE.
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Post by Ozomahtli on Oct 1, 2012 11:59:01 GMT -8
coach Rocky = Claude Gilbert 2012. we need to learn from our past.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 12:10:47 GMT -8
coach Rocky = Claude Gilbert 2012. Maybe. However, checking back, Claude went 10-1 in each of our final two years as an independent. He then went 4-7 in the WAC and was 8-2 in our second year in the WAC and then 63-14 happened on national TV. So I'd say that for Rocky to be another Claude, he will have to turn this season around and finish about 8-5 again. That's still possible but without an immense improvement in the pass rush, it won't happen.
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Post by myownwords on Oct 2, 2012 10:30:19 GMT -8
coach Rocky = Claude Gilbert 2012. we need to learn from our past. Why does it follow (by subtext) that the Gilbert firing was the source of the football program's demise? I would suggest that the fault, from that point on, was the adminstration's total inability to hire quality coaches. If we keep Rocky, or fire him and hire another Chuck Long, yes we will be looking at another 10 or 20 years in the wilderness, or the loss of our football program.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 10:57:21 GMT -8
coach Rocky = Claude Gilbert 2012. we need to learn from our past. Why does it follow (by subtext) that the Gilbert firing was the source of the football program's demise? I would suggest that the fault, from that point on, was the adminstration's total inability to hire quality coaches. If we keep Rocky, or fire him and hire another Chuck Long, yes we will be looking at another 10 or 20 years in the wilderness, or the loss of our football program. I think it's safe to say that if SDSU had given Chuck Long all five years of his contract that we wouldn't be going to the BE. If we weren't, instead of continuing to tread water, our football program would be kicking like hell just to come up for air often enough to avoid drowning.
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Post by powerout on Oct 2, 2012 11:34:18 GMT -8
Rocky is the interim from Hoke, we need to change for the big east What you all are missing is Aaron Wellman was the reason for Hoke's success and the imporvement on the team. They guy they have there now, along with Long and 99% of the other assistant coaches dont have the "Fire" of Hoke, Wellman and the rest of the staff that left. Getting rid of Long is not the problem, They need a Total overhaul of the Entire Staff!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 11:41:45 GMT -8
If anybody on staff is fine, it's Adam Hall. Our players look plenty big (Feely excepted but that's just because of his height), they simply lack skill in many cases. I also think others have been doing fine. Ludwig, Horton and McDaniel come immediately to mind. However, several others need to go, I'll agree with you there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 11:44:56 GMT -8
Rocky is the interim from Hoke, we need to change for the big east What you all are missing is Aaron Wellman was the reason for Hoke's success and the imporvement on the team. They guy they have there now, along with Long and 99% of the other assistant coaches dont have the "Fire" of Hoke, Wellman and the rest of the staff that left. Getting rid of Long is not the problem, They need a Total overhaul of the Entire Staff!!! Come on.....that's ludicrous. LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 11:45:44 GMT -8
If anybody on staff is fine, it's Adam Hall. Our players look plenty big (Feely excepted but that's just because of his height), they simply lack skill in many cases. I also think others have been doing fine. Ludwig, Horton and McDaniel come immediately to mind. However, several others need to go, I'll agree with you there. I like Ludwig. He does his job. Did last year too.
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Post by aztech on Oct 2, 2012 12:07:14 GMT -8
Why does it follow (by subtext) that the Gilbert firing was the source of the football program's demise? I would suggest that the fault, from that point on, was the adminstration's total inability to hire quality coaches. If we keep Rocky, or fire him and hire another Chuck Long, yes we will be looking at another 10 or 20 years in the wilderness, or the loss of our football program. As in any organization, it starts from the top. Our long line of presidents probably never cared for sports, even when they were students. We haven't hired a quality AD since Fred Miller retired. BTW, his boss was Malcolm Love who always wanted us to schedule Iowa, his alma mater. I think the best AD candidates have been told how much money they will be operating with so of course, that was the deal breaker. All these worthless ADs that SDSU hired were experiments or has beens, for the most part. None knew who to make a splash with the football program so they never asked for financial support. Meanwhile why does SJSU, Fresno State, Utah State, etc, who have the same fiscal issues, are passing us by? Do their presidents have a clue, or are more sports oriented? We'll have to wait and see if Hirshman is a diversion from his predecessors. If he is then Sterk is on a short leash. The nBE money? Yeah that'll be a blessing, but is Sterk capable of spending the money on the right coach or will he piss it away, the usual SDSU way?
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Post by 1611Luginbill on Oct 2, 2012 12:58:08 GMT -8
The nBE money? Yeah that'll be a blessing, but is Sterk capable of spending the money on the right coach or will he piss it away, the usual SDSU way? The Big East money will not be used that way.
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Post by monty on Oct 2, 2012 14:57:55 GMT -8
If anybody on staff is fine, it's Adam Hall. Our players look plenty big (Feely excepted but that's just because of his height), they simply lack skill in many cases. I also think others have been doing fine. Ludwig, Horton and McDaniel come immediately to mind. However, several others need to go, I'll agree with you there. I like Ludwig. He does his job. Did last year too. Indeed, Ludwig is the least of our problems.
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Post by killiansc on Oct 2, 2012 20:14:07 GMT -8
I like Ludwig. He does his job. Did last year too. Indeed, Ludwig is the least of our problems. Ludwig has not been good.
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