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Post by monty on Aug 20, 2012 13:23:00 GMT -8
He lit up UNLV at home. He's a good shooter. Good shooters aren't mediocre from the free throw line. Also, mentioning one game that he got hot isn't really a counter to him being a streak shooter. good shooters aren't that streaky either, dude goes through weeks of not being able to make a shot.
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Post by insider on Aug 20, 2012 14:24:04 GMT -8
Disagree. Rahon is a better defender, way better handles and even a better outside shooter although it's close. with better handles that lets him create more All credibility lost. Spain's handles were the thing that kept him from being all conference. He also didn't have a mid range game. He had a 3 point shot and he could post up against smaller defenders. I loved Spain. He was my favorite player while he was here. But he did not have the all around game that James does. Rahon was (per coach Fisher) our best perimeter defender last year on a team with very good perimeter defense. I'm sorry but have you seen James handle the basketball? Because based on this post I guess you have not, any ball pressure at all and James immediatley has to get rid of the ball and pass it because he can't handle it. If he was your favorite player than you would have seen how much more he can do on the floor than James so I call bull$#!+ on that. Rahon is still streaky on defense and loses his man offball quite often, also he kills SDSU on the boards as he can't rebound at all. He's a 1 dimensional player.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 14:58:34 GMT -8
All credibility lost. Spain's handles were the thing that kept him from being all conference. He also didn't have a mid range game. He had a 3 point shot and he could post up against smaller defenders. I loved Spain. He was my favorite player while he was here. But he did not have the all around game that James does. Rahon was (per coach Fisher) our best perimeter defender last year on a team with very good perimeter defense. I'm sorry but have you seen James handle the basketball? Because based on this post I guess you have not, any ball pressure at all and James immediatley has to get rid of the ball and pass it because he can't handle it. If he was your favorite player than you would have seen how much more he can do on the floor than James so I call bull$#!+ on that. Rahon is still streaky on defense and loses his man offball quite often, also he kills SDSU on the boards as he can't rebound at all. He's a 1 dimensional player. Yeah we must not be watching the same game.
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Post by northcountymike on Aug 20, 2012 22:20:01 GMT -8
He wouldn't be battling Rahan for 6th man, he was/is the better player. Disagree. Rahon is a better defender, way better handles and even a better outside shooter although it's close. Spain was a better rebounder and more explosive. Rahon has never been asked to put up numbers like Spain was asked to his senior year. Put him in that same role and he would have. I'm inclined to agree with 'Tec...I think the difference is that James plays on a team that's much better than the teams that Spain played on, so the comparisons are different. The talent level is better now, so while Rahon, at times, looks like a weak link, he would've fit in just fine on any of Spain's teams. While I think that Spain might have been a better overall athlete, I think Rahon is more of a pure shooter. Sure, Spain could hit a 3, but after that, his game was limited other than throwing down a dunk here or there. That was my impression, anyway. We've seen Rahon hit threes, drive the lane, and pull up for a jumper the past few years. It's unfortunate because I think that just because a guy (Rahon) doesn't dunk, he's somehow not a good "finisher" or unathletic. Dude would own any of us on here in a game of horse, one on one, and probably even a dunk contest. Both players were used as Fisher saw fit; they were utilized as the team needed. I'm sure if Fisher asked Rahon to do more, he would. He just doesn't have to because we're so deep now.
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Post by jhonka34 on Aug 21, 2012 6:55:31 GMT -8
I think the biggest difference is that Rahon fulfills a specific need for the team as it is currently comprised, while Spain's biggest assets can be covered by other people on the roster.
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Post by dirtball on Aug 21, 2012 7:11:13 GMT -8
I think the biggest difference is that Rahon fulfills a specific need for the team as it is currently comprised, while Spain's biggest assets can be covered by other people on the roster. What is the specific need? He is a good perimeter defender, especially cconsidering he was known as a weak defender when he came to sdsu.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2012 7:40:41 GMT -8
I mentioned before that it is closer than people think, although I would still take Spain due to his versatility on both sides of the ball.
I actually think its a pretty fair to compare James' junior season to Spain's senior season. The 2008-09 team was one of the better teams in school history, and by all accounts was a NCAA tourney "snub." That team went to the NIT semifinals. I think its a pretty fair comparison to last year's team in that neither team was particularly deep. the 2008-09 team had a starting unit of Richie Williams, Lorrenzo Wade, Kyle Spain, Billy White and Ryan Amoroso. Compare that to last year's unit of Thames, Tapley, Rahon, Franklin and Shelton. Biggest difference is that Spain was the 2nd option on his team behind Wade while Rahon was the 3rd/4th option on last year's team - and we are all giving him the benefit of the doubt for his hurt ankle. Most glaring is Rahon's 3FG% last year which was only 32%, compared to his 41% or so numbers his first two years of D1 ball - most likely due to the ankle.
Spain's numbers are better, although with different team dynamics and different individual expectations. I would still take Spain as I think he does more overall on the floor than Rahon - particularly defensively with steals and blocks. Do note that Rahon was often called upon to guard the opposition's best perimeter player last year while that was Lorrenzo Wade's job when Spain was here.
Spain 08-09: 27 mpg, 14.1 ppg, 5.3 rbg, 1.5 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.3 bpg while shooting 40.2% from the field and 39% from 3 - also an impressive 85% free throw shooter while getting to the line 4.5 times per game.
Rahon 11-12: 32 mpg, 9 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.8 apg, 0.5 spg, 0 bpg while shooting 40.5% from the field and 32% from 3 - a 59.5% free throw shooter at 1.5 attempts per game.
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Post by jhonka34 on Aug 21, 2012 17:20:31 GMT -8
I think the biggest difference is that Rahon fulfills a specific need for the team as it is currently comprised, while Spain's biggest assets can be covered by other people on the roster. What is the specific need? He is a good perimeter defender, especially cconsidering he was known as a weak defender when he came to sdsu. Rahon's role, the one he played two years ago and will play this year, was/is to be a sharp-shooter/lockdown perimeter defender off the bench. I think his struggles last season had to do with both the ankle injury and being out of that role. Fisher has had guys in the same role before this. John Sharper did the exact same thing, came off the bench to hit a number of treys and use his fresh legs to spell a starter and wear down an opponents starting guard with tenacious defense. Spain had more all-around game, was more athletic and was better at driving the lane. This year's team has players that can do that but needs Rahon in his role. When Spain was here, so was Sharper so Rahon wouldn't have been as necessary. I guess what I'm trying to say is that they filled different needs for different teams so it is a little hard to compare them. I think comparing Rahon to Sharper would make more sense since they played the same role so you can more easily compare them. Though, while comparing them is easy, contrasting them would be harder. In the #FisherDraft ( aztecskillinghim.com/2012/02/09/fisher-draft-recap/) we did this spring I took Sharper one pick before AKH took Rahon. Their numbers at the time (halfway through conference play last season) led me to use this as my reasoning: I’m going to get grief for taking Sharper ahead of Rahon but it is worth noting that his career 3-pt% is exactly the same as James’ (to several decimals: 40.2912%) and people forget what a lock-down defender he was. When Fisher needed a stop or a bucket, Sharper would be in the lineup immediately and would usually get Fish what he needed.
I should point out that I do know that James can drive the lane and is athletic and that Spain was a very good three point shooter and plus defender, but those skills were not their biggest assets. P.S. I also took Spain immediately before taking Sharper with this reasoning: OLE! Kyle Spain gets to reprise his role from his early years at SDSU as a firecracker off the bench. I personally thought he was a better all-around player than teammate Lo Wade (drafted #9) so I was happy he fell to me here. He comes in able to back up both Leonard at SF and Tapley at SG. He is also the 4th player on my team that has been asked to bring the ball up offensively by Fish (Williams, Tapley, Leonard being the others). All that and I almost forgot to mention that he ranks #6 in career 3-pt% at 39.2.
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Post by goodygood on Aug 21, 2012 17:32:01 GMT -8
Good shooters aren't mediocre from the free throw line. Also, mentioning one game that he got hot isn't really a counter to him being a streak shooter. good shooters aren't that streaky either, dude goes through weeks of not being able to make a shot. Actually they are. Cazzie Russel was one of the streakiest shooters in NBA history and remains considered one of the best shooters ever. Take Al Faux for instance. I think he is a real good shooter, but he was also very streaky.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2012 18:21:01 GMT -8
good shooters aren't that streaky either, dude goes through weeks of not being able to make a shot. Actually they are. Cazzie Russel was one of the streakiest shooters in NBA history and remains considered one of the best shooters ever. Take Al Faux for instance. I think he is a real good shooter, but he was also very streaky. You missed his point.
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Post by ned4 on Aug 21, 2012 18:30:58 GMT -8
The fact that Rahon played all last season injured has to be taken into consideration.
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