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Post by Deja Vu U Monty on Jul 22, 2012 7:25:01 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 22, 2012 13:43:25 GMT -8
I guess it worked, because they signed him.
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Post by cvtower on Jul 22, 2012 15:02:12 GMT -8
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 23, 2012 8:02:48 GMT -8
He gave a big San Diego discount. That is why there is a no-trade clause in the contact. I hope they sign Street to a long term deal. Letting Bell go and signing Street was another very good move by the Padres. The Padres will win next year and Street will be a key player.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 23, 2012 8:59:13 GMT -8
He gave a big San Diego discount. That is why there is a no-trade clause in the contact. Haven't we learned enough about no-trade clauses? Padres have to understand that nothing is free and there's no such thing as a "discount." There is no cheap way out. Unless this guy defies history and plays a lot (and plays well), they're just gonna end up paying in some other way. There is such a thing as a discount. The Padres got one. He gave the discount because he is willing to play here at a lower price. To insure his discounted contract would not force him to play elsewhere at that price, they added the clause. If he is a total bust, the lack of that clause would not help the Padres in any way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 12:19:59 GMT -8
Bill,
I applaud this move, and think it's a good signing. However, I would argue your contention that he gave the Padres a "discount".
Given his injury history, it's no certainty any other team would be willing to go above a 1 or 2 year deal. Of course, it just takes one.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 23, 2012 13:56:06 GMT -8
Bill, I applaud this move, and think it's a good signing. However, I would argue your contention that he gave the Padres a "discount". Given his injury history, it's no certainty any other team would be willing to go above a 1 or 2 year deal. Of course, it just takes one. He got $7 million this year via arbitration negotiation with the Padres. If he has a good year, which so far he is, he should see a huge increase via free agency - not just to $9 M. He took a lot less than he would otherwise get in free agency. That is why the no-trade clause was demanded by Carlos. I am sure the Padres didn't want that. At 25 he put up some guady numbers: .288 .394 .571 .965, 5.1 WAR. He could easily come back next year and have that type of year again. He will only be 30. His WAR this year projects to be 3.4. 3.0 WAR in 2011 was worth $13.5-15 million. WAR = Wins Above Replacement. It is used by baseball people to convert performance to dollars.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 15:00:51 GMT -8
You don't need to prove to me that CQ is a very valuable ballplayer. I have a much higher opinion of him than say, JYP.
But I would maybe disagree that he took a hometown discount. His deal to me, was market value for his history.
The market isnt what it once was. A similar case would be Josh Willingham. A very good ballplayer, who has routinely put up an .850 OPS playing in mostly pitcher parks as his home park.
Last year for Oakland he smacked 30 HR, drove in 98 runs, and had an .810 OPS despite playing 81 games in a park less than hitter friendly. He is a reliable left fielder, though not a gold glover. Much like Quentin.
He entered the free agent market this off-season at age 32. Like Quentin, an injury history but plenty of seasons of production. UNLIKE Quentin, he did not play most of his career in a big time hitters park (Comiskey/US Cellular/Whatever it is now is a big hitters park).
He signed with the Twins for 3-years, $21M after testing the waters.
Carlos Beltran signed for 2-years, at $24M.
You're going to try and tell us Quentin did the Padres a favor? Getting 3 for $27M? You're going to say this was a hometown discount?
I call bull$#!+.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 15:34:54 GMT -8
Bill, you make me laugh with all of the crazy bull$#!+ you constantly post. Nobody is ever going to believe anything you say if you ever try to be serious. Wolf! Wolf! Wolf! But nobody came.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 23, 2012 16:35:39 GMT -8
If we signed a free agent like CQ from another team, we might have lost a draft pick. So that is a plus too. Price of a win
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 19:26:55 GMT -8
If we signed a free agent like CQ from another team, we might have lost a draft pick. So that is a plus too. Price of a win Again, I am a fan of the signing. Just not going to say it was a "discount". Really, who effing cares though? Neither of us could ever prove it one way or the other. So let's be glad we have him. BTW, my last comment was tongue in cheek. Just messin with ya. I miss Joe, lol.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 24, 2012 7:37:01 GMT -8
If we signed a free agent like CQ from another team, we might have lost a draft pick. So that is a plus too. Price of a win Again, I am a fan of the signing. Just not going to say it was a "discount". Really, who effing cares though? Neither of us could ever prove it one way or the other. So let's be glad we have him. BTW, my last comment was tongue in cheek. Just messin with ya. I miss Joe, lol. I am glad we signed him. Having a player who has a year well beyond average is the easiest way for a team to win. Look at the Giants this year. They have a lot of good players but Melky Cabrera really is having a year that is totally unexpectedly great. Last year was Melky's best season at .305 .339 .470. Going to a big pitchers park, the Giants were hoping he could match those numbers. Instead he is hitting .360 .403 .536. Carlos Quentin can have that type of year. He hit .288 .394 .571 as a 25 year old before plantar fasciitis restricted him for a couple of years. He doesn't fit my wish for Padres hitters. I want hitters who are line drive hitters and hit few fly balls. He hits few line drives and a high percentage of fly balls. I think hitters who hit a lower percentage of fly balls have a better chance of not being effected by Petco Park. He had the lowest Line Drive Percentage (14.3%) and highest fly ball percentage (53.5%) on the White Sox in 2011. He has the highest fly ball percentage (47.5%) on the Padres in 2012.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 24, 2012 7:53:57 GMT -8
You don't need to prove to me that CQ is a very valuable ballplayer. I have a much higher opinion of him than say, JYP. I like Quentin. I just don't think he's a cleanup hitter on a contending team like the Padres are gonna try to convince us he is. At 25 before his plantar fasciitis he hit .288 .394 .571. Do you think that would be sufficient for a "cleanup hitter on a contending team"?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2012 8:40:44 GMT -8
You don't need to prove to me that CQ is a very valuable ballplayer. I have a much higher opinion of him than say, JYP. I like Quentin. I just don't think he's a cleanup hitter on a contending team like the Padres are gonna try to convince us he is. Don't get me wrong. Padres still have a ways to go.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 24, 2012 14:55:18 GMT -8
At 25 before his plantar fasciitis he hit .288 .394 .571. Do you think that would be sufficient for a "cleanup hitter on a contending team"? If he could put up the numbers he put up at age 25, then of course he'd be a cleanup hitter for a contending team. That was a long time ago. (Wow does time fly.) The same could be said of Mike Schmidt (today) and many other players. We didn't just sign a 35-100 kind of guy here. You know that, right? He is 29 not 49. He could easily put up .288 .394 .571 on the road next year. Mix that with some reduced numbers at Petco and you wouldn't see what value he brings because you don't understand park effects. "35-100 type of guy"? That's not how I see players. I look more at OBP and SLG or combined in OPS. A .950 OPS on the road and .800 at home for an overall .875 OPS. That would be a year like he had at 25 years old.
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Post by aztecalum02 on Jul 25, 2012 12:08:54 GMT -8
Sweet deal if he can stay off the DL (at least 3/4 of the season healty), but if not it will be a bad contract the they will have to eat up.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jul 25, 2012 23:59:05 GMT -8
A step in the right direction. Congrats to CQ!
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 31, 2012 14:28:06 GMT -8
A step in the right direction. Congrats to CQ! And Street. So Star s is now true.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2012 15:29:57 GMT -8
I wonder if they'll offer Headley an extension, or move him in the off-season.
I guess it depends what 3B depth we have in the minors.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 3, 2012 9:45:10 GMT -8
I wonder if they'll offer Headley an extension, or move him in the off-season. I guess it depends what 3B depth we have in the minors. I am a big Headley fan. I really like that he is becoming more a Petco Park hitter (high line drive/low fly ball). But Gyorko could decide Headley's fate. If he hits but can't handle 2B, Headley could be the odd man out. The Padres control Gyorko through 2018 and Headley only through 2014. If Gyorko can hit and handle 3B, Headley's trade booty would be worth more to the Padres.
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