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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2012 14:59:44 GMT -8
Bill,
May I ask, whom you think should be San Diego's All Star for this season? As of today?
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 6, 2012 15:04:48 GMT -8
I just provide balance. It seems most everyone else here is way far to the negative side of things. The Salary sucks because of the divorce - Moores is trying to sell the team to correct that. Minor leagues sucked - but is now rated #1. This year sucks - a lot of that is injuries. I can be negative but I reserve it for things that are actually bad and am open minded about the reasons. Injuries or not, the personnel on the 25-man roster is atrocious. Worst in the majors, or close to it. It's not about being negative. It's being realistic to the fact that this team is practically unwatchable, and there's no certainty of it getting better anytime soon. You love to talk about the kids coming up, and you have for years. But half the time you're full of $#!+, Bill. Excuse me for being frank, but it's true. A few years ago it was Dacker, Forsythe, Antonelli, etc. Now you have replaced them with new kids that you're sure will be the saviors. When the Padres show they can draft and develop major league talent, and not just win games at Lake Elsinore, then we'll discuss progress. Until then, the fact remains that this current regime traded a promising young 1B who is KILLING AAA pitching, for a setup man and an outfielder with a weak resume. They did NOT solicit the best available package of players, that's obvious. It was a deal brokered by members of a baseball fraternity club. What's particularly frustrating is it has been proven beyond a doubt that bullpens can be built on the cheap, every year. You don't trade prospects like Anthony Rizzo for Andrew Cashner and Kyung Ma-Na. Hopefully the Cincinatti deal works out, I do like that one. But regarding this "#1 farm system"....we'll see what it produces at the big league level. The fans are looking for bankable future stars, like what KC is showing with Hosmer and Moustakas. Not just "quality depth". Let's hope there are some legit all stars on their way up, this franchise desperately needs them. Again, it is not me rating the Padres farm system as #1. ESPN just had an insider article today that I can only get the lead from: Padres pad farm lead The Padres had the No. 1 overall farm system in baseball to start the season. |
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 6, 2012 15:09:10 GMT -8
Bill, May I ask, whom you think should be San Diego's All Star for this season? As of today? Huston Street. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2012 15:09:19 GMT -8
Injuries or not, the personnel on the 25-man roster is atrocious. Worst in the majors, or close to it. It's not about being negative. It's being realistic to the fact that this team is practically unwatchable, and there's no certainty of it getting better anytime soon. You love to talk about the kids coming up, and you have for years. But half the time you're full of $#!+, Bill. Excuse me for being frank, but it's true. A few years ago it was Dacker, Forsythe, Antonelli, etc. Now you have replaced them with new kids that you're sure will be the saviors. When the Padres show they can draft and develop major league talent, and not just win games at Lake Elsinore, then we'll discuss progress. Until then, the fact remains that this current regime traded a promising young 1B who is KILLING AAA pitching, for a setup man and an outfielder with a weak resume. They did NOT solicit the best available package of players, that's obvious. It was a deal brokered by members of a baseball fraternity club. What's particularly frustrating is it has been proven beyond a doubt that bullpens can be built on the cheap, every year. You don't trade prospects like Anthony Rizzo for Andrew Cashner and Kyung Ma-Na. Hopefully the Cincinatti deal works out, I do like that one. But regarding this "#1 farm system"....we'll see what it produces at the big league level. The fans are looking for bankable future stars, like what KC is showing with Hosmer and Moustakas. Not just "quality depth". Let's hope there are some legit all stars on their way up, this franchise desperately needs them. Again, it is not me rating the Padres farm system as #1. ESPN just had an insider article today that I can only get the lead from: Padres pad farm lead The Padres had the No. 1 overall farm system in baseball to start the season. I know. I haven't debated the place in the rankings. I have seen this, and Baseball America lists. I think it's great. But I'll wait and see what major league talent is produced. I have been following these rankings for years and they tend to change quickly. |
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 6, 2012 15:23:36 GMT -8
Again, it is not me rating the Padres farm system as #1. ESPN just had an insider article today that I can only get the lead from: Padres pad farm lead The Padres had the No. 1 overall farm system in baseball to start the season. I know. I haven't debated the place in the rankings. I have seen this, and Baseball America lists. I think it's great. But I'll wait and see what major league talent is produced. I have been following these rankings for years and they tend to change quickly. Kansas City dropped quickly but that was because they promoted a bunch of MLB ready players. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Jun 7, 2012 10:00:05 GMT -8
Carlos Quentin has reaffirmed what I have been saying for years. The Padres have a knack to pick up established veterans and give them a second lease on their careers. The past 20 years the Pads have been successful giving second chances to players like Steve Finley, Ken Caminiti, Greg Vaughn, Phil Nevin, Ryan Klesko, Wally Joyner, Adrian Gonzalez (and a host of others). The farm system sucks and it has always sucked. I don't care what Baseball America and the other rags say. The hitting prospects ALWAYS come up to the bigs and whiff. Spend some money and make the franchise competitive. I don't get the reference, or at least the wording, with all due respect. Caminiti was 31 or 32 when we traded for him and coming off a fine season. Finley was an accomplished major leaguer, and like Caminiti, many of the MLB teams would have been interested in his services. It was a good trade on the Padres part. Not a "second chance" for the players. And, it was when Lucchino was running the front office as Chief Executive, as well as representing a significant increase in the team payroll....which you have to respect. www.nytimes.com/1994/12/29/sports/baseball-padres-and-astros-make-a-12-player-swap.htmlGreg Vaughn was coming off a monster season for Milwaukee (31/95) when he was brought to San Diego. Another great trade, but I had read that Vaughn was clashing with ownership over his desire for a new contract. He was certainly not an undesirable, though he struggled his first two years in SD before he blew up in '98 (PED user? He has the benefit of the doubt). Carlos Quentin simply didn't have alot of suitors in the trade market due to his injury history, but he's still making $7M this season. So far, the trade looks good, we have to agree there. It seems like alot of these players were just on their second uniform (or third), which happens for a multitude of reasons. They weren't exactly reclamation projects or needing a second chance. I never used the word reclamation project. I am just pointing out the past successes the Pads have experienced on the trade/free agent market. You have to agree it is better than their track record of bringing up kids from the farm system. Finley and Cam really came into their own with San Diego, as did Gary Sheffield and Kevin Mitchell. My point is, if a team can't judge talent on the farm system, they need to acquire talent through veteran trades and free agency otherwise that team will be a permanent fixture in last place. I am still waiting for at least one Padre farm hand to come to the majors and HIT. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 1:12:11 GMT -8
I don't get the reference, or at least the wording, with all due respect. Caminiti was 31 or 32 when we traded for him and coming off a fine season. Finley was an accomplished major leaguer, and like Caminiti, many of the MLB teams would have been interested in his services. It was a good trade on the Padres part. Not a "second chance" for the players. And, it was when Lucchino was running the front office as Chief Executive, as well as representing a significant increase in the team payroll....which you have to respect. www.nytimes.com/1994/12/29/sports/baseball-padres-and-astros-make-a-12-player-swap.htmlGreg Vaughn was coming off a monster season for Milwaukee (31/95) when he was brought to San Diego. Another great trade, but I had read that Vaughn was clashing with ownership over his desire for a new contract. He was certainly not an undesirable, though he struggled his first two years in SD before he blew up in '98 (PED user? He has the benefit of the doubt). Carlos Quentin simply didn't have alot of suitors in the trade market due to his injury history, but he's still making $7M this season. So far, the trade looks good, we have to agree there. It seems like alot of these players were just on their second uniform (or third), which happens for a multitude of reasons. They weren't exactly reclamation projects or needing a second chance. I never used the word reclamation project. I am just pointing out the past successes the Pads have experienced on the trade/free agent market. You have to agree it is better than their track record of bringing up kids from the farm system. Finley and Cam really came into their own with San Diego, as did Gary Sheffield and Kevin Mitchell. My point is, if a team can't judge talent on the farm system, they need to acquire talent through veteran trades and free agency otherwise that team will be a permanent fixture in last place. I am still waiting for at least one Padre farm hand to come to the majors and HIT. I hear ya. Right on. |
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Post by insider on Jun 8, 2012 13:39:16 GMT -8
Chase Headley is a top 5 3B. Not so sure what is embarassing about that.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 8, 2012 15:56:05 GMT -8
Chase Headley is a top 5 3B. Not so sure what is embarassing about that. That is 7 out of 30. Headley's road OPS is .929. That would be good for 2nd among MLB 3B. Only David Wright is better at 1.066. David Wright is having one hell of a year. David Wright .368 BA .470 OBP .596 SLG Again Petco Park is clouding the issue. On the road Headley's OPS is .929. That is the 17th OPS (min 75 AB) for all hitters in all baseball. Sandwiched between Melky Cabrera and Carlos Beltran. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 17:26:39 GMT -8
Chase Headley is a top 5 3B. Not so sure what is embarassing about that. That's true. He has always hit very well on the road, he would probably enjoy very much playing for a team such as Cincinnati or Philadelphia that played 81 games in a hitters park. |
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 11, 2012 11:41:36 GMT -8
Headley is 7th in OPS for MLB 3B with at least 125 PA That is 7 out of 30. Headley's road OPS is .929. That would be good for 2nd among MLB 3B. Only David Wright is better at 1.066. David Wright is having one hell of a year. David Wright .368 BA .470 OBP .596 SLG Again Petco Park is clouding the issue. On the road Headley's OPS is .929. That is the 17th OPS (min 75 AB) for all hitters in all baseball. Sandwiched between Melky Cabrera and Carlos Beltran. Are these other guys' numbers to which you refer on the road only? They were overall but I checked just road and Headley is 2nd to Wright there too. |
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