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Post by k5james on Jun 29, 2012 6:52:29 GMT -8
Yeah, he is a guy. No offers, no easily available film. I know I know, "this guy and that guy were 2 stars with no offers and look how they turned out." I am not saying he can't be a good player. Until we start beating out high major programs for multiple recruits, these types of commits are underwhelming to me. Beating out Pac-12 doormat's Colorado, Oregon St or Washington St is not cutting it. Sure, we get a guy or two like Kwayde Miller once in a while, but we need to start winning recruiting head to head battle's to take the program to the next level. Instead of getting "our guy," we need to start getting "the guy." More often than not "our" guy is "the" guy. That's how Boise got to where they are now. The took "their" guy and didn't worry about who did, or did not offer him. There have been several links posted with film on Wells so I don't get the "not easily available film" comment.
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Post by spgonzo on Jun 29, 2012 7:05:41 GMT -8
Yeah, he is a guy. No offers, no easily available film. I know I know, "this guy and that guy were 2 stars with no offers and look how they turned out." I am not saying he can't be a good player. Until we start beating out high major programs for multiple recruits, these types of commits are underwhelming to me. Beating out Pac-12 doormat's Colorado, Oregon St or Washington St is not cutting it. Sure, we get a guy or two like Kwayde Miller once in a while, but we need to start winning recruiting head to head battle's to take the program to the next level. Instead of getting "our guy," we need to start getting "the guy." More often than not "our" guy is "the" guy. That's how Boise got to where they are now. The took "their" guy and didn't worry about who did, or did not offer him. There have been several links posted with film on Wells so I don't get the "not easily available film" comment. Ok, enough with the Boise St. comparison's. We are not Boise St. Nobody is Boise St. Nobody in their right mind would rather have David Wells over recent Notre Dame commit Danny Mattingly. There is a reason you offer 9 other Tight Ends before David Wells. He was a backup plan. He wasn't Plan B or C or E or even F. Getting 2 star guys may get you 8 wins in the MWC, but it will not in the Big East. As far as film is concerned, sure there is come combine stuff, but I was unable to find any game film. Please repost.
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Post by badfish on Jun 29, 2012 7:25:04 GMT -8
have to agree with spgonzo on this one. Nothing against wells, but I'd like to see us win recruits away from BSU before I'd compare us to them
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Post by spgonzo on Jun 29, 2012 7:27:46 GMT -8
have to agree with spgonzo on this one. Nothing against wells, but I'd like to see us win recruits away from BSU before I'd compare us to them Finally, another realist who takes off the Scarlet and Black sunglasses once in a while.
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Post by ernieaztec on Jun 29, 2012 7:57:25 GMT -8
everyoine should stop complaing about hjow we only have a few commits so far if you don't like who we are getting. quality over quantity.
btw how do you know sdsu is his only offer? websites arent alwyas right. he's so under the radar maybe he alreadyhas a few
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Post by cvtower on Jun 29, 2012 8:36:11 GMT -8
To be honest, I was expecting Matt Burke (the Florida TE who supposedly loved SDSU since his freshman year) or Bryce Fitzner (the 6'7 TE out of Francis Parker) to be the first TE to commit. Then again, Wells' versatility and size means he could end up playing a different position once at SDSU (DE, OL, etc)
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Post by k5james on Jun 29, 2012 8:39:46 GMT -8
More often than not "our" guy is "the" guy. That's how Boise got to where they are now. The took "their" guy and didn't worry about who did, or did not offer him. There have been several links posted with film on Wells so I don't get the "not easily available film" comment. Ok, enough with the Boise St. comparison's. We are not Boise St. Nobody is Boise St. Nobody in their right mind would rather have David Wells over recent Notre Dame commit Danny Mattingly. There is a reason you offer 9 other Tight Ends before David Wells. He was a backup plan. He wasn't Plan B or C or E or even F. Getting 2 star guys may get you 8 wins in the MWC, but it will not in the Big East. As far as film is concerned, sure there is come combine stuff, but I was unable to find any game film. Please repost. Its a valid comparison because thats what teams like ours have to do. You beat the brush for guys that fit your "model" and turn them into football players. That's not how recruiting works. You don't offer A and if he commits somewhere else offer B and so on. You offer guys A, B, C, etc...and continue to look for players. Sometimes you discover a player that hasn't been recruited (for a variety of reasons) and if he fits your "model" you offer him. UConn has done pretty well in the BE with a bunch of 2 star players... Here's his game film... www.hudl.com/athlete/437446/highlights/9564372Watch that and tell me he isn't a D1 prospect.
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Post by k5james on Jun 29, 2012 8:41:45 GMT -8
have to agree with spgonzo on this one. Nothing against wells, but I'd like to see us win recruits away from BSU before I'd compare us to them We have won recruits away from Boise.
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Post by badfish on Jun 29, 2012 8:42:38 GMT -8
nvm. got it to work.
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Post by spgonzo on Jun 29, 2012 8:55:21 GMT -8
Ok, enough with the Boise St. comparison's. We are not Boise St. Nobody is Boise St. Nobody in their right mind would rather have David Wells over recent Notre Dame commit Danny Mattingly. There is a reason you offer 9 other Tight Ends before David Wells. He was a backup plan. He wasn't Plan B or C or E or even F. Getting 2 star guys may get you 8 wins in the MWC, but it will not in the Big East. As far as film is concerned, sure there is come combine stuff, but I was unable to find any game film. Please repost. Its a valid comparison because thats what teams like ours have to do. You beat the brush for guys that fit your "model" and turn them into football players. That's not how recruiting works. You don't offer A and if he commits somewhere else offer B and so on. You offer guys A, B, C, etc...and continue to look for players. Sometimes you discover a player that hasn't been recruited (for a variety of reasons) and if he fits your "model" you offer him. UConn has done pretty well in the BE with a bunch of 2 star players... Here's his game film... www.hudl.com/athlete/437446/highlights/9564372Watch that and tell me he isn't a D1 prospect. I never said anything about him not being a D1 player. That is how SDSU recruiting work. Those other 9 guys "fit the model" too, or they would not never been offered. UConn? Really? Did you see the Fiesta Bowl against Oklahoma (4 and 5 stars) a few years ago? How did that turn out? If you want to be compared to UConn, so be it. I guess I just have higher expectations.
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Post by ernieaztec on Jun 29, 2012 8:57:39 GMT -8
To be honest, I was expecting Matt Burke (the Florida TE who supposedly loved SDSU since his freshman year) or Bryce Fitzner (the 6'7 TE out of Francis Parker) to be the first TE to commit. Then again, Wells' versatility and size means he could end up playing a different position once at SDSU (DE, OL, etc) i player from florida doesn't "LOVE" sdsu. no way. i think ou just take headlines out of context
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Post by ernieaztec on Jun 29, 2012 8:58:13 GMT -8
Ok, enough with the Boise St. comparison's. We are not Boise St. Nobody is Boise St. Nobody in their right mind would rather have David Wells over recent Notre Dame commit Danny Mattingly. There is a reason you offer 9 other Tight Ends before David Wells. He was a backup plan. He wasn't Plan B or C or E or even F. Getting 2 star guys may get you 8 wins in the MWC, but it will not in the Big East. As far as film is concerned, sure there is come combine stuff, but I was unable to find any game film. Please repost. Its a valid comparison because thats what teams like ours have to do. You beat the brush for guys that fit your "model" and turn them into football players. That's not how recruiting works. You don't offer A and if he commits somewhere else offer B and so on. You offer guys A, B, C, etc...and continue to look for players. Sometimes you discover a player that hasn't been recruited (for a variety of reasons) and if he fits your "model" you offer him. UConn has done pretty well in the BE with a bunch of 2 star players... Here's his game film... www.hudl.com/athlete/437446/highlights/9564372Watch that and tell me he isn't a D1 prospect. no plays really stick out as a d1 prospect. hes tall and thats about it
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Post by badfish on Jun 29, 2012 8:58:45 GMT -8
To be honest, I was expecting Matt Burke (the Florida TE who supposedly loved SDSU since his freshman year) or Bryce Fitzner (the 6'7 TE out of Francis Parker) to be the first TE to commit. Then again, Wells' versatility and size means he could end up playing a different position once at SDSU (DE, OL, etc) i player from florida doesn't "LOVE" sdsu. no way. i think ou just take headlines out of context pretty sure I read somewhere he made a list his frosh year of where he would want to go. sdsu was on the list.
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Post by k5james on Jun 29, 2012 9:00:52 GMT -8
Its a valid comparison because thats what teams like ours have to do. You beat the brush for guys that fit your "model" and turn them into football players. That's not how recruiting works. You don't offer A and if he commits somewhere else offer B and so on. You offer guys A, B, C, etc...and continue to look for players. Sometimes you discover a player that hasn't been recruited (for a variety of reasons) and if he fits your "model" you offer him. UConn has done pretty well in the BE with a bunch of 2 star players... Here's his game film... www.hudl.com/athlete/437446/highlights/9564372Watch that and tell me he isn't a D1 prospect. I never said anything about him not being a D1 player. That is how SDSU recruiting works. Don't get the top guys? Ok, we will go with plan out 9th backup. UConn? Did you see the Fiesta Bowl against Oklahoma (4 and 5 stars) a few years ago? How did that turn out? Again, you're having trouble grasping the fact that he's just one of the TE's we're taking. He's not the 9th, he's just the first o commit. When did Oklahoma get added to the BE? If you want to play that game though. How about Utah and their 2 and 3 stars against Alabama? BSU and and all of their NR and 2 star guys against That same Oklahoma team. Hell, Chuck freaking Long took a bunch of 2 star guys to Notre Dame and almost beat their four and five star guys. I'm not saying stars don't matter. I'm saying they aren't right on every single high school player.
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Post by ernieaztec on Jun 29, 2012 9:01:52 GMT -8
i player from florida doesn't "LOVE" sdsu. no way. i think ou just take headlines out of context pretty sure I read somewhere he made a list his frosh year of where he would want to go. sdsu was on the list. that really doesnt mean much at all.
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Post by spgonzo on Jun 29, 2012 9:04:52 GMT -8
I never said anything about him not being a D1 player. That is how SDSU recruiting works. Don't get the top guys? Ok, we will go with plan out 9th backup. UConn? Did you see the Fiesta Bowl against Oklahoma (4 and 5 stars) a few years ago? How did that turn out? Again, you're having trouble grasping the fact that he's just one of the TE's we're taking. He's not the 9th, he's just the first o commit. When did Oklahoma get added to the BE? If you want to play that game though. How about Utah and their 2 and 3 stars against Alabama? BSU and and all of their NR and 2 star guys against That same Oklahoma team. Hell, Chuck freaking Long took a bunch of 2 star guys to Notre Dame and almost beat their four and five star guys. I'm not saying stars don't matter. I'm saying they aren't right on every single high school player. Ok, you are using the 99 out of 100 examples. Bama and Utah? Bama did not want to be there, they wanted the BCS Title Game. Boise vs OU? Trick plays won that game. Take off your Scarlet and Black shades once in a while, there is the real world behind it.
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Post by k5james on Jun 29, 2012 9:06:14 GMT -8
Again, you're having trouble grasping the fact that he's just one of the TE's we're taking. He's not the 9th, he's just the first o commit. When did Oklahoma get added to the BE? If you want to play that game though. How about Utah and their 2 and 3 stars against Alabama? BSU and and all of their NR and 2 star guys against That same Oklahoma team. Hell, Chuck freaking Long took a bunch of 2 star guys to Notre Dame and almost beat their four and five star guys. I'm not saying stars don't matter. I'm saying they aren't right on every single high school player. Ok, you are using the 99 out of 100 examples. Take off your Scarlet and Black shades once in a while, there is the real world behind it.
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Post by badfish on Jun 29, 2012 9:07:46 GMT -8
He's big, smart and athletic. Let's see if Rocky keeps him at TE or puts him on the Quigley diet and moves him to the D
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Post by bschmurda on Jun 29, 2012 9:07:46 GMT -8
I never said anything about him not being a D1 player. That is how SDSU recruiting works. Don't get the top guys? Ok, we will go with plan out 9th backup. UConn? Did you see the Fiesta Bowl against Oklahoma (4 and 5 stars) a few years ago? How did that turn out? Again, you're having trouble grasping the fact that he's just one of the TE's we're taking. He's not the 9th, he's just the first o commit. When did Oklahoma get added to the BE? If you want to play that game though. How about Utah and their 2 and 3 stars against Alabama? BSU and and all of their NR and 2 star guys against That same Oklahoma team. Hell, Chuck freaking Long took a bunch of 2 star guys to Notre Dame and almost beat their four and five star guys. I'm not saying stars don't matter. I'm saying they aren't right on every single high school player. I would say most player/"star" ratings before there senior seasons are inaccurate.
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Post by k5james on Jun 29, 2012 9:08:37 GMT -8
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