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Post by insider on Mar 13, 2012 13:18:29 GMT -8
1. Chuck Long
2. Tom Craft
3. Brady Hoke
4. Steve Fisher
HM: Don Coryell and Claude Gilbert
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Post by AztecTom on Mar 13, 2012 13:20:17 GMT -8
1. Tom Craft 2. Brady Hoke 3. Steve Fisher 4. Don Coryell What about Chuck Long for the #2 spot? |
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Post by azteclegacy on Mar 13, 2012 13:25:37 GMT -8
The best coaches did not necessarly have the best resources or institutional support Tom Ables would have the best read on this subject. for the major sports - Coryell, Fisherare no-brainers some of the other names mentioned did better as assistants than HC was thinking the same thing. i'm gonna have to ask him. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 16:21:37 GMT -8
What about Al Luginbill?? Took over a bad team, never had a losing season, and recuited a guy named Marshall Faulk  |
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Post by AztecTom on Mar 13, 2012 16:23:46 GMT -8
What about Al Luginbill?? Took over a bad team, never had a losing season, and recuited a guy named Marshall Faulk Great recruiter not the best coach. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 16:41:18 GMT -8
What about Al Luginbill?? Took over a bad team, never had a losing season, and recuited a guy named Marshall Faulk Great recruiter not the best coach. Yeah, I guess if you are gonna use the term "all time," you just have to call him Al |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Mar 13, 2012 17:22:25 GMT -8
It's what you do with what you have that counts. Give even me ten players as good as Leonard or Tapley and I could achieve a winning record. Give a Wooden or Coach K ten slow, overweight midgets and I guarantee that team might not win a single game. (And what relevance does San Diego State's Division II . . . actually College Division . . . or NAIA status have in this discussion? I guess the 1941 NAIB/NAIA national basketball championship isn't worth mentioning.)
Based on that reasoning I think George Ziegenfuss deserves respect as one of the great Aztecs coaches.
Ziegenfuss was an excellent coach who did a lot with much less than stellar talent, which is all that San Diego State College (as it was called in those days) was able to attract in the 50s and 60s. I guess I may be the only one who remembers that heart-breaking double overtime loss to Southern Illinois back in the NCAA tournament of '67 (?). That was a very good Aztec team that went farther in the NCAA tournament (College Division then) than any Aztec team until the 2011 squad.
But wait, there is another name from the past that deserves consideration. I refer to Morris Gross, who was head basketball coach here from 1929 to 1942. Gross had a better winning percentage (.690) than any other Aztec coach except C.E. Paterson (.700, 1921-1926). Fisher at this time has a .620 mark.
Morris won 6 conference championships and took the Aztecs to four post season tournaments (NAIB/NAIA). The Aztecs were in the final game of the 1939-1941 seasons and claimed the championship in '41. I'd say that Morris' record is a pretty impressive one. And don't complain that Gross coached a long time ago and as such his accomplishments mean nothing. Remember, Knute Rockne's last year at Notre Dame was 1930 and I don't hear anyone saying that the Rock was chopped liver.
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Post by aronoff on Mar 13, 2012 19:08:02 GMT -8
Morris Gross was the "accidental coach" that was hired shortly after graduation as the basketball assistant at a time when most Aztec assistants were practically walk-on coaches. Early in the 1929 season, head coach Tom McMullen was diagnosed with cancer, Gross finished the season and earned the job.
He went on to serve as AD and was a force behind the formation of the CCAA. Hepner was not happy with Gross’s legendary off-court lifestyle and did not want him back after he left for military service in WWII. Hepner was the key reason why the Aztecs did not join San Jose, Pacific, and the Border Conference schools in pursuing major college status in the late 40's.
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Post by junior on Mar 13, 2012 19:46:24 GMT -8
One of the problems that plague many organizations is a failure to maintain institutional memory. I think we are seeing this in the current thread. Obviously . . . . repeat, obviously . . . any list of great Aztec coaches should include the name George Ziegenfuss. The man was a great coach and served SDSU well for decades. (from Wikipedia): Ziegenfuss was the winningest and longest-tenured head coach for the San Diego State Aztecs men's basketball team, serving from 1948 until 1969. He compiled 316 wins during his tenure, winning five conference championships.[2][3] He was inducted into the Aztecs Hall of Fame in 1994.[4]AzWm Big Zig had a Ph.D. from Columbia. Just so no one thinks all he knew was basketball…but he did know that, alright, too. Zig's son. Fritz, was an excellent coach in his own right. Having played for his dad, how else could be be anything but??? And a terrific teacher, as well. Possibly one of the best Patrick Henry will ever see… |
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Post by Azthetic on Mar 13, 2012 20:15:53 GMT -8
It's too bad that we have to stretch and joke to get to 4.
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Post by Frantic on Mar 13, 2012 20:48:02 GMT -8
Long-time local soccer players (like me) know the name George Logan. From Wiki: "George Logan is a former collegiate head soccer coach. From 1968 to 1981, he served as the first head men's soccer coach at San Diego State University, where he compiled a 148-48-17(.735) record. His winning percentage ranks 16th all time among NCAA Division 1 coaches. In 14 seasons, he never had a losing season... He died April 19, 2009 at age 76. He is considered by many the "Father of San Diego soccer."" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Logan_%28soccer%29Chuck Clegg also had a great run after Logan, coaching first the men's team and then the women's team: goaztecs.cstv.com/sports/w-soccer/mtt/clegg_chuck00.html |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 13, 2012 20:51:58 GMT -8
Steve Fisher, Don Coryell, Claude Gilbert, Beth Burns. They'd get my vote. |
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Post by bearfoot on Mar 13, 2012 21:32:49 GMT -8
For honorable mention, on the "lesser Mt Rushmore" (Rushmore Hill?), I'd put Smokey Gaines, Jim Dietz, Tim Vezie, and.......? Smokey Gains was horrible I mean Chuck Long horrible. Once his players had to attend class, he never won a game. (almost) Prop 48 killed his "recruiting methods" |
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Post by bearfoot on Mar 13, 2012 21:35:19 GMT -8
Chuck Long Tom Craft Ted Tollner Tony Gwynn (Coach only) Where's Trenkle? I'm in on all above but must add Smokey to the top of the list. |
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Post by Aztec89 on Mar 14, 2012 6:10:20 GMT -8
Best San Diego coaches?
Jim Harbaugh.
Bernie Bickerstaff.
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