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Post by aztecwin on Feb 4, 2012 7:20:08 GMT -8
xrl.us/bmqtnfLooks like trying to be neutral in the abortion issue is a crime in the eyes of abortion advocates.
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Post by aztec70 on Feb 4, 2012 23:33:46 GMT -8
Looks like you are trolling again ;D
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Feb 10, 2012 17:27:13 GMT -8
Looks like you are trolling again ;D I suppose that he's trolling to a certain extent, but we should never forget that Pooh is old and believes that if he follows what his pastor tells him to believe, he's guaranteed to get into Heaven. I find it a bit sad that Pooh came to religion late and was never exposed to mainstream, Protestant theology. If he had been, he might have a better understanding of Christ's teachings instead of assuming that piety is some sort of gateway to Heaven. He might understand that piety is not the pathway. He might understand why living your life as JC demanded instead of "accepting" a deity is what JC taught. JC taught us, through the Parables, that what is important is what you do during your time on this planet. He taught us that doing good works is an end unto itself and as a Christian, good works, not piety, are what's important. As a Methodist, I find Pooh and others like him rather sad because they believe piety, going to church on a regular basis and praising God will somehow give them an after-life when JC taught the opposite. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 11, 2012 7:54:26 GMT -8
Looks like you are trolling again ;D I suppose that he's trolling to a certain extent, but we should never forget that Pooh is old and believes that if he follows what his pastor tells him to believe, he's guaranteed to get into Heaven. I find it a bit sad that Pooh came to religion late and was never exposed to mainstream, Protestant theology. If he had been, he might have a better understanding of Christ's teachings instead of assuming that piety is some sort of gateway to Heaven. He might understand that piety is not the pathway. He might understand why living your life as JC demanded instead of "accepting" a deity is what JC taught. JC taught us, through the Parables, that what is important is what you do during your time on this planet. He taught us that doing good works is an end unto itself and as a Christian, good works, not piety, are what's important. As a Methodist, I find Pooh and others like him rather sad because they believe piety, going to church on a regular basis and praising God will somehow give them an after-life when JC taught the opposite. =Bob As usual, you are wrong in your understanding. Doing good works is a virtue, but there is only one way to salvation. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Feb 17, 2012 17:27:45 GMT -8
I suppose that he's trolling to a certain extent, but we should never forget that Pooh is old and believes that if he follows what his pastor tells him to believe, he's guaranteed to get into Heaven. I find it a bit sad that Pooh came to religion late and was never exposed to mainstream, Protestant theology. If he had been, he might have a better understanding of Christ's teachings instead of assuming that piety is some sort of gateway to Heaven. He might understand that piety is not the pathway. He might understand why living your life as JC demanded instead of "accepting" a deity is what JC taught. JC taught us, through the Parables, that what is important is what you do during your time on this planet. He taught us that doing good works is an end unto itself and as a Christian, good works, not piety, are what's important. As a Methodist, I find Pooh and others like him rather sad because they believe piety, going to church on a regular basis and praising God will somehow give them an after-life when JC taught the opposite. =Bob As usual, you are wrong in your understanding. Doing good works is a virtue, but there is only one way to salvation. So your fundamentalist preachers have taught you. I was taught something else. The difference is that I assume that if you've led a good life, as JC taught, you'll be rewarded, while you assume that everyone who doesn't have the exact same beliefs you have will go to a non-existent Hell. I've told you over and over Pooh, I have no idea of what happens after we die and I don't really care. If my Methodist upbringing is true and I've lived my life as JC asked me to live it, I'll be fine. If my atheist wife is correct, I'll die and that will be the end of it. Either way, what JC, Lao Tzu and the Zen masters have taught are all the same path to how we treat others and how we treat others is far more important than some pie in the sky dream of "eternal life" offered to people who fear death. Fundamentalist Christianity offers an excuse to hate gays, mainstream Christians, non-Christians and most any other group of people some "pastor" decides should be hated. Quite frankly, it is an abomination, which isn't surprising because eventually every religion creates a fundamentalist wing based upon hatred. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 19, 2012 13:11:17 GMT -8
As usual, you are wrong in your understanding. Doing good works is a virtue, but there is only one way to salvation. So your fundamentalist preachers have taught you. I was taught something else. The difference is that I assume that if you've led a good life, as JC taught, you'll be rewarded, while you assume that everyone who doesn't have the exact same beliefs you have will go to a non-existent Hell. I've told you over and over Pooh, I have no idea of what happens after we die and I don't really care. If my Methodist upbringing is true and I've lived my life as JC asked me to live it, I'll be fine. If my atheist wife is correct, I'll die and that will be the end of it. Either way, what JC, Lao Tzu and the Zen masters have taught are all the same path to how we treat others and how we treat others is far more important than some pie in the sky dream of "eternal life" offered to people who fear death. Fundamentalist Christianity offers an excuse to hate gays, mainstream Christians, non-Christians and most any other group of people some "pastor" decides should be hated. Quite frankly, it is an abomination, which isn't surprising because eventually every religion creates a fundamentalist wing based upon hatred. =Bob Sad! You can't even get that right. "The basic beliefs of The United Methodist Church include: Triune God. God is one God in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost).[34] Scripture. The writings in the Old Testament and New Testament are the inspired word of God. Sin. While human beings were intended to bear the image of God, all humans are sinners for whom that image is distorted. Sin estranges us from God and corrupts human nature such that we cannot heal or save ourselves.[35] Salvation through Jesus Christ. God's redeeming love is active to save sinners through Jesus' incarnate life and teachings, through his atoning death, his resurrection, his sovereign presence through history, and his promised return.[35] Sacraments. The UMC recognizes only two sacraments: Holy Baptism and Holy Communion. Other rites such as Confirmation, Ordination, Holy Matrimony, Funerals, and Anointing of the Sick are performed but are not considered sacraments. In Holy Baptism, the Church believes that "Baptism is not only a sign of profession and mark of difference whereby Christians are distinguished from others that are not baptized; but it is also a sign of regeneration or the new birth.[36] It believes that Baptism is a sacrament in which God initiates a covenant with individuals,[37] people become a part of the Church,[37] is not to be repeated,[37] and is a means of grace.[38] The United Methodist Church generally practices Baptism by sprinkling, pouring, or immersion[39] and recognizes Trinitarian formula[40] baptisms from other Christian denominations in good standing.[41] The United Methodist Church affirms the real presence of Christ in Holy Communion,[42] (the bread is an effectual sign of His body crucified on the cross and the cup is an effectual sign of His blood shed for humanity),[43] believes that the celebration is an anamnesis of Jesus’ death,[44] believes the sacrament to be a means of grace,[45] and practices open communion.[46] Free will. The UMC believes that people, while corrupted by sin, are free to make their own choices because of God's divine grace. Grace. The UMC believes that God gives unmerited favor freely to all people, though it may be resisted." |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Mar 7, 2012 19:45:54 GMT -8
All I can go by is what I was taught then, not what is being taught now. But that aside, you clearly offered some Wiki commentary that may or may not have any basis in reality. And, to tell the truth, by your own statements, you really don't have a dog in this fight because you were not steeped in Protestant religion during your youth while I was in Sunday School, Methodist summer camps and Mennonite and Baptist summer schools until I was 15. I spent a lot of time considering theologies while you apparently never did until you decided to consider your mortality. While I was trying to understand theology you weren't doing the same. Simply put, you came to it late and never really questioned your religious beliefs because your beliefs are solely based upon the hope that there is something after you die while my beliefs are based upon not caring about life after death. Rather, they are based upon what JC really taught, which was the Parables and the Sermon on the Mount. =Bob So your fundamentalist preachers have taught you. I was taught something else. The difference is that I assume that if you've led a good life, as JC taught, you'll be rewarded, while you assume that everyone who doesn't have the exact same beliefs you have will go to a non-existent Hell. I've told you over and over Pooh, I have no idea of what happens after we die and I don't really care. If my Methodist upbringing is true and I've lived my life as JC asked me to live it, I'll be fine. If my atheist wife is correct, I'll die and that will be the end of it. Either way, what JC, Lao Tzu and the Zen masters have taught are all the same path to how we treat others and how we treat others is far more important than some pie in the sky dream of "eternal life" offered to people who fear death. Fundamentalist Christianity offers an excuse to hate gays, mainstream Christians, non-Christians and most any other group of people some "pastor" decides should be hated. Quite frankly, it is an abomination, which isn't surprising because eventually every religion creates a fundamentalist wing based upon hatred. =Bob Sad! You can't even get that right. "The basic beliefs of The United Methodist Church include: Triune God. God is one God in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost).[34] Scripture. The writings in the Old Testament and New Testament are the inspired word of God. Sin. While human beings were intended to bear the image of God, all humans are sinners for whom that image is distorted. Sin estranges us from God and corrupts human nature such that we cannot heal or save ourselves.[35] Salvation through Jesus Christ. God's redeeming love is active to save sinners through Jesus' incarnate life and teachings, through his atoning death, his resurrection, his sovereign presence through history, and his promised return.[35] Sacraments. The UMC recognizes only two sacraments: Holy Baptism and Holy Communion. Other rites such as Confirmation, Ordination, Holy Matrimony, Funerals, and Anointing of the Sick are performed but are not considered sacraments. In Holy Baptism, the Church believes that "Baptism is not only a sign of profession and mark of difference whereby Christians are distinguished from others that are not baptized; but it is also a sign of regeneration or the new birth.[36] It believes that Baptism is a sacrament in which God initiates a covenant with individuals,[37] people become a part of the Church,[37] is not to be repeated,[37] and is a means of grace.[38] The United Methodist Church generally practices Baptism by sprinkling, pouring, or immersion[39] and recognizes Trinitarian formula[40] baptisms from other Christian denominations in good standing.[41] The United Methodist Church affirms the real presence of Christ in Holy Communion,[42] (the bread is an effectual sign of His body crucified on the cross and the cup is an effectual sign of His blood shed for humanity),[43] believes that the celebration is an anamnesis of Jesus’ death,[44] believes the sacrament to be a means of grace,[45] and practices open communion.[46] Free will. The UMC believes that people, while corrupted by sin, are free to make their own choices because of God's divine grace. Grace. The UMC believes that God gives unmerited favor freely to all people, though it may be resisted." |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 9, 2012 14:23:18 GMT -8
All I can go by is what I was taught then, not what is being taught now. But that aside, you clearly offered some Wiki commentary that may or may not have any basis in reality. And, to tell the truth, by your own statements, you really don't have a dog in this fight because you were not steeped in Protestant religion during your youth while I was in Sunday School, Methodist summer camps and Mennonite and Baptist summer schools until I was 15. I spent a lot of time considering theologies while you apparently never did until you decided to consider your mortality. While I was trying to understand theology you weren't doing the same. Simply put, you came to it late and never really questioned your religious beliefs because your beliefs are solely based upon the hope that there is something after you die while my beliefs are based upon not caring about life after death. Rather, they are based upon what JC really taught, which was the Parables and the Sermon on the Mount. =Bob Sad! You can't even get that right. "The basic beliefs of The United Methodist Church include: Triune God. God is one God in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost).[34] Scripture. The writings in the Old Testament and New Testament are the inspired word of God. Sin. While human beings were intended to bear the image of God, all humans are sinners for whom that image is distorted. Sin estranges us from God and corrupts human nature such that we cannot heal or save ourselves.[35] Salvation through Jesus Christ. God's redeeming love is active to save sinners through Jesus' incarnate life and teachings, through his atoning death, his resurrection, his sovereign presence through history, and his promised return.[35] Sacraments. The UMC recognizes only two sacraments: Holy Baptism and Holy Communion. Other rites such as Confirmation, Ordination, Holy Matrimony, Funerals, and Anointing of the Sick are performed but are not considered sacraments. In Holy Baptism, the Church believes that "Baptism is not only a sign of profession and mark of difference whereby Christians are distinguished from others that are not baptized; but it is also a sign of regeneration or the new birth.[36] It believes that Baptism is a sacrament in which God initiates a covenant with individuals,[37] people become a part of the Church,[37] is not to be repeated,[37] and is a means of grace.[38] The United Methodist Church generally practices Baptism by sprinkling, pouring, or immersion[39] and recognizes Trinitarian formula[40] baptisms from other Christian denominations in good standing.[41] The United Methodist Church affirms the real presence of Christ in Holy Communion,[42] (the bread is an effectual sign of His body crucified on the cross and the cup is an effectual sign of His blood shed for humanity),[43] believes that the celebration is an anamnesis of Jesus’ death,[44] believes the sacrament to be a means of grace,[45] and practices open communion.[46] Free will. The UMC believes that people, while corrupted by sin, are free to make their own choices because of God's divine grace. Grace. The UMC believes that God gives unmerited favor freely to all people, though it may be resisted." Just because your foggy little mind thinks you were taught a certain way does not make either that or what you think was the content at that time the truth. There is only one way! |
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Post by markyc on Mar 9, 2012 16:18:47 GMT -8
All I can go by is what I was taught then, not what is being taught now. But that aside, you clearly offered some Wiki commentary that may or may not have any basis in reality. And, to tell the truth, by your own statements, you really don't have a dog in this fight because you were not steeped in Protestant religion during your youth while I was in Sunday School, Methodist summer camps and Mennonite and Baptist summer schools until I was 15. I spent a lot of time considering theologies while you apparently never did until you decided to consider your mortality. While I was trying to understand theology you weren't doing the same. Simply put, you came to it late and never really questioned your religious beliefs because your beliefs are solely based upon the hope that there is something after you die while my beliefs are based upon not caring about life after death. Rather, they are based upon what JC really taught, which was the Parables and the Sermon on the Mount. =Bob Just because your foggy little mind thinks you were taught a certain way does not make either that or what you think was the content at that time the truth. There is only one way! "Religion easily has the greatest bulls#it story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bulls#it story. Holy S#it!" - George Carlin |
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Post by davdesid on Mar 9, 2012 16:52:48 GMT -8
Just because your foggy little mind thinks you were taught a certain way does not make either that or what you think was the content at that time the truth. There is only one way! "Religion easily has the greatest bulls#it story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bulls#it story. Holy S#it!" - George Carlin No, actually it is government which easily has the greatest bull$#!+ story ever told. With religion, you can take it or leave it. With government, you take it. Period. If you don't, they'll send a swat team to blow your ass away. |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 10, 2012 7:35:21 GMT -8
Just because your foggy little mind thinks you were taught a certain way does not make either that or what you think was the content at that time the truth. There is only one way! "Religion easily has the greatest bulls#it story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bulls#it story. Holy S#it!" - George Carlin You have the right to think and say whatever you want. Wrong as you are, you still have a chance. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Mar 10, 2012 19:48:57 GMT -8
All I can go by is what I was taught then, not what is being taught now. But that aside, you clearly offered some Wiki commentary that may or may not have any basis in reality. And, to tell the truth, by your own statements, you really don't have a dog in this fight because you were not steeped in Protestant religion during your youth while I was in Sunday School, Methodist summer camps and Mennonite and Baptist summer schools until I was 15. I spent a lot of time considering theologies while you apparently never did until you decided to consider your mortality. While I was trying to understand theology you weren't doing the same. Simply put, you came to it late and never really questioned your religious beliefs because your beliefs are solely based upon the hope that there is something after you die while my beliefs are based upon not caring about life after death. Rather, they are based upon what JC really taught, which was the Parables and the Sermon on the Mount. =Bob Just because your foggy little mind thinks you were taught a certain way does not make either that or what you think was the content at that time the truth. There is only one way! Well thank you for that. Thank you for informing me that if I don't embrace the exact theology that you do I engage in "the truth". I find it seriously sad and have fount it sad since around the time I was 14 that people believed in Heaven instead of accepting JC's admonitions, through the Parables, that how we live our lives here is what matters. But really, Pooh, do you want to get into an argument with me on theology? I've spent a lot of time studying theology while all you've done is accept what some tent preacher has told you because you're old and living in the "waiting room". I was stepped in theology at an early age - you weren't and you really have no clue what I'm arguing. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 11, 2012 6:58:46 GMT -8
Just because your foggy little mind thinks you were taught a certain way does not make either that or what you think was the content at that time the truth. There is only one way! Well thank you for that. Thank you for informing me that if I don't embrace the exact theology that you do I engage in "the truth". I find it seriously sad and have fount it sad since around the time I was 14 that people believed in Heaven instead of accepting JC's admonitions, through the Parables, that how we live our lives here is what matters. But really, Pooh, do you want to get into an argument with me on theology? I've spent a lot of time studying theology while all you've done is accept what some tent preacher has told you because you're old and living in the "waiting room". I was stepped in theology at an early age - you weren't and you really have no clue what I'm arguing. =Bob You should have been "steeped" in real theology rather than just stepped in some. You must have wiped your shoes off since very little seems to have adhered. Maybe a couple evenings in a revival tent would have been better for you than laying around frying your brain. |
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Post by aztec70 on Mar 17, 2012 8:24:50 GMT -8
"Religion easily has the greatest bulls#it story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bulls#it story. Holy S#it!" - George Carlin No, actually it is government which easily has the greatest bull$#!+ story ever told. With religion, you can take it or leave it. With government, you take it. Period. If you don't, they'll send a swat team to blow your ass away. LOL Are you expecting a swat team anytime soon? Speaking of taking from the government. How is that unfunded, inflation adjusted, federal pension working out for you? Better be thanking the IRS for collecting the taxes to pay for it. |
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Post by davdesid on Mar 17, 2012 14:15:40 GMT -8
No, actually it is government which easily has the greatest bull$#!+ story ever told. With religion, you can take it or leave it. With government, you take it. Period. If you don't, they'll send a swat team to blow your ass away. LOL Are you expecting a swat team anytime soon? Speaking of taking from the government. How is that unfunded, inflation adjusted, federal pension working out for you? Better be thanking the IRS for collecting the taxes to pay for it. I'm not worried about a swat team from the government, because I pay my taxes in full and on time. Of course if anyone refuses to do that, and depending on how far they choose to carry out that refusal, they will eventually face a swat team. I'm not worried about a swat team from a church, either. They don't have any swat teams, and failure to chip in to some church plate is just tough nuts for the church. As for being thankful to the IRS, that should be YOU. Without their convoluted and complicated rules that the average citizen cannot fathom, you would be trying to sell your useless pencils on some street corner. With competition from other tax leeches on the other three corners of any given intersection, of course. |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 18, 2012 6:28:04 GMT -8
I bet 70 does give thanks to the IRS at night. That might be the real reason that he is a liberal. Any real constructive sensible revision the the tax code would put him out of business.
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Post by aztec70 on Mar 18, 2012 14:36:10 GMT -8
I give thanks to TurboTax. I get so much business from them.  |
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Post by aztec70 on Mar 18, 2012 14:39:02 GMT -8
LOL Are you expecting a swat team anytime soon? Speaking of taking from the government. How is that unfunded, inflation adjusted, federal pension working out for you? Better be thanking the IRS for collecting the taxes to pay for it. I'm not worried about a swat team from the government, because I pay my taxes in full and on time. Of course if anyone refuses to do that, and depending on how far they choose to carry out that refusal, they will eventually face a swat team. I'm not worried about a swat team from a church, either. They don't have any swat teams, and failure to chip in to some church plate is just tough nuts for the church. As for being thankful to the IRS, that should be YOU. Without their convoluted and complicated rules that the average citizen cannot fathom, you would be trying to sell your useless pencils on some street corner. With competition from other tax leeches on the other three corners of any given intersection, of course. Please cite a link where the IRS sent a SWAT team to collect taxes. Hyperbole much? |
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Post by aztec70 on Mar 18, 2012 14:42:27 GMT -8
Looking back at my life, though, I should have accepted that commission in the Navy after college. I could have been sucking government tit now, and complaining about the government. I would have fit right in with a lot of the cons on this board.
Guess I was just a sucker wanting to start a business. Working for Uncle Sugar was where the money was. Right, Guys?
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 18, 2012 15:29:31 GMT -8
Opps! Looks like that nerve has been hit again! ;D
Flat Tax and then he thinks he will have to hit the bricks!
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