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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 30, 2011 10:32:18 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 30, 2011 14:16:59 GMT -8
Until you have some kind of solar or chemical charging system, the electric cars use coal to provide power and are not a solution as far as green is concerned. It will also take better battery technology to make sense. I am getting less enamored with the idea as new problems come up.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Nov 30, 2011 16:49:44 GMT -8
The entire concept of the electric car is stupid and horribly polluting. I have posted to that numerous times. It amazes me that people somehow seem to think that they are "green" and environmentally friendly.
Each time you change power you lose energy in man made systems. Digging of coal pollutes the environment and requires energy to get the coal out of the ground.. Hauling that coal to the electrical generating stations wastes energy and adds to pollution. Burning the coal to make electricity wastes enormous amounts of energy and adds tremendously to pollution. Transmitting the electrical power hundreds of miles over high voltage lines wastes energy and is polluting in that capacitors burn out and pollute the environment plus the fact that the electrical grid tears up the countryside and causes pollution in the refining of metals to build the towers and the conductors that are needed for transmission. Conversion of that electrical energy to chemical energy when a battery is charged up only results in more and more energy loss. Finally the conversion of the chemical energy to electricity to drive the electrical motor on the car results in tremendous loss of energy.
A conservative estimate would have it that only about ten percent of theenergy in the coal in the ground is effectively used in driving an electric car, and the pollution from those cars makes a diesel truck look beautifully clean in comparison.
Electric cars are horribly wasteful and horribly, horribly, horribly polluting. They should all be immediately banned and the congressmen who voted for subsidizing the industry and the industry officers should all be put in jail until they have all repaid the American taxpayers.
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Dec 1, 2011 17:15:40 GMT -8
I'll go "green" when you fly an airplane powered by solar...
How much is that electric battery replacement cost?
The pollution created from the manufacturing of a new Prius is more than the savings if you bought a used car.
HAM
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Dec 1, 2011 17:46:16 GMT -8
The article wouldn't come up for me so I cannot comment on it.
However, I can comment on the general topic of an electric car since I own one.
I have owned a fully electric Nissan Leaf since June and absolutely love it. I used to spend between 250 and 300 dollars per month in gas. I now spend about 25 dollars per month in electricity. I know that because the charger for my Leaf has it's own meter.
The only 'service' on my car is to rotate the tires at 7,500 miles and to change the in-cabin air filter. I probably won't need a brake job until 80,000 miles because of the electric regenerative braking system.
The batteries are guaranteed to be 80% efficient at 10 years old.
I purchased the car as a commuter car and drive from Poway to downtown SD every day. When I get home I have about 30 miles left for errands. It is a perfect car for what I use it for.
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Post by davdesid on Dec 2, 2011 13:16:10 GMT -8
The article wouldn't come up for me so I cannot comment on it. However, I can comment on the general topic of an electric car since I own one. I have owned a fully electric Nissan Leaf since June and absolutely love it. I used to spend between 250 and 300 dollars per month in gas. I now spend about 25 dollars per month in electricity. I know that because the charger for my Leaf has it's own meter. The only 'service' on my car is to rotate the tires at 7,500 miles and to change the in-cabin air filter. I probably won't need a brake job until 80,000 miles because of the electric regenerative braking system. The batteries are guaranteed to be 80% efficient at 10 years old. I purchased the car as a commuter car and drive from Poway to downtown SD every day. When I get home I have about 30 miles left for errands. It is a perfect car for what I use it for. Sounds good for what you need. Maybe when they can extend the range and reduce the charge times, I'll take a look. I generally go 300 miles in my pickup, and there are no charging stations in the woods. |
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Post by aztecwin on Dec 3, 2011 12:03:06 GMT -8
The article wouldn't come up for me so I cannot comment on it. However, I can comment on the general topic of an electric car since I own one. I have owned a fully electric Nissan Leaf since June and absolutely love it. I used to spend between 250 and 300 dollars per month in gas. I now spend about 25 dollars per month in electricity. I know that because the charger for my Leaf has it's own meter. The only 'service' on my car is to rotate the tires at 7,500 miles and to change the in-cabin air filter. I probably won't need a brake job until 80,000 miles because of the electric regenerative braking system. The batteries are guaranteed to be 80% efficient at 10 years old. I purchased the car as a commuter car and drive from Poway to downtown SD every day. When I get home I have about 30 miles left for errands. It is a perfect car for what I use it for. Sounds pretty good for your use. The issue was about being "green" in part and they are not. I would still consider one with longer range, and better, faster charging batteries even without a "green" charging system. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Dec 14, 2012 10:36:08 GMT -8
Still averaging about $25.00 per month a year later.
;D
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Post by aztec70 on Dec 14, 2012 15:46:30 GMT -8
Still averaging about $25.00 per month a year later. ;D It is obvious that your are a running dog, fellow traveler, of our Marxist President.  |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Dec 23, 2012 12:12:08 GMT -8
Still averaging about $25.00 per month a year later. ;D What are your driving habits? Just wondering. AzWm |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Dec 24, 2012 13:56:23 GMT -8
Still averaging about $25.00 per month a year later. ;D What are your driving habits? Just wondering. AzWm Daily commute from Rancho Bernardo to the airport via I15. I set the cruise control at 67 or 68. Could get better 'mileage' if I lowered the speed to 55-60. When I get home I have about 20-25 miles left on the charge for running local errands. I consider myself at the far end of the useful range of the car. On the weekends, one charge does it. |
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Post by azteccc on Dec 24, 2012 23:02:08 GMT -8
for all you anti-environmentalist right-wing hate-electric gas-guzzling red-blooded gun-totting hunter and good christian americans... i present to you the tesla model s. cliff notes:: 250-300 mile range, recharging takes about 30 minutes, completely free charging at a network (300+) of solar powered stations across all of the US and southern Canada, sub-5 second 0-60 and faster than an M5, seats 5+, full size sedan, starting under $50k for the first models ever produced. www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-tesla-model-s-test-review |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Dec 26, 2012 14:28:19 GMT -8
for all you anti-environmentalist right-wing hate-electric gas-guzzling red-blooded gun-totting hunter and good christian americans... i present to you the tesla model s. cliff notes:: 250-300 mile range, recharging takes about 30 minutes, completely free charging at a network (300+) of solar powered stations across all of the US and southern Canada, sub-5 second 0-60 and faster than an M5, seats 5+, full size sedan, starting under $50k for the first models ever produced. www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-tesla-model-s-test-reviewSaw a model S a few weeks ago. Wow! Wish I could afford one. Maybe I'll trade in my Leaf in a year or two for one. Your recharge figures are way off. The car and driver link says that it takes 10 hours to fully charge the car using a stage II (240v) charger and 7 hours using a stage III (440v) charger. While I purhased my Leaf with an optional stage III plug there are currently NO UL approved stage III chargers available in the U.S. They are comming but it will be a while. |
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Post by azteccc on Dec 26, 2012 15:28:36 GMT -8
for all you anti-environmentalist right-wing hate-electric gas-guzzling red-blooded gun-totting hunter and good christian americans... i present to you the tesla model s. cliff notes:: 250-300 mile range, recharging takes about 30 minutes, completely free charging at a network (300+) of solar powered stations across all of the US and southern Canada, sub-5 second 0-60 and faster than an M5, seats 5+, full size sedan, starting under $50k for the first models ever produced. www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-tesla-model-s-test-reviewSaw a model S a few weeks ago. Wow! Wish I could afford one. Maybe I'll trade in my Leaf in a year or two for one. Your recharge figures are way off. The car and driver link says that it takes 10 hours to fully charge the car using a stage II (240v) charger and 7 hours using a stage III (440v) charger. While I purhased my Leaf with an optional stage III plug there are currently NO UL approved stage III chargers available in the U.S. They are comming but it will be a while. i haven't looked into full, home charging. the 250-300 mile range is on a full charge, about half an hour for 150 miles in range www.nbcnews.com/technology/futureoftech/tesla-unveils-network-free-solar-superchargers-model-s-1B6095618"That's what they've decided to do with their Supercharger stations, a network of solar-powered chargers that will refill your Tesla Model S free of charge. And what's more, they charge at four or five times the rate of even a high-capacity home charger, so you can get 150 miles of range back in half an hour. The Superchargers aren't intended for everyday charging, but for long-distance driving: they're spaced between 100 and 200 miles apart, distant but well within the 250-mile range of the Model S. At the moment the network is limited to California, but Musk was confident that within two years, much of the U.S. (as well as some of Europe and Asia) will be covered:" |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Dec 26, 2012 20:06:11 GMT -8
Saw a model S a few weeks ago. Wow! Wish I could afford one. Maybe I'll trade in my Leaf in a year or two for one. Your recharge figures are way off. The car and driver link says that it takes 10 hours to fully charge the car using a stage II (240v) charger and 7 hours using a stage III (440v) charger. While I purhased my Leaf with an optional stage III plug there are currently NO UL approved stage III chargers available in the U.S. They are comming but it will be a while. i haven't looked into full, home charging. the 250-300 mile range is on a full charge, about half an hour for 150 miles in range www.nbcnews.com/technology/futureoftech/tesla-unveils-network-free-solar-superchargers-model-s-1B6095618"That's what they've decided to do with their Supercharger stations, a network of solar-powered chargers that will refill your Tesla Model S free of charge. And what's more, they charge at four or five times the rate of even a high-capacity home charger, so you can get 150 miles of range back in half an hour. The Superchargers aren't intended for everyday charging, but for long-distance driving: they're spaced between 100 and 200 miles apart, distant but well within the 250-mile range of the Model S. At the moment the network is limited to California, but Musk was confident that within two years, much of the U.S. (as well as some of Europe and Asia) will be covered:" Followed the links to the Tesla web site. Yup, that is what they say. Looks like they are going their own way. I wonder if their superchargers are compatible with my Leaf. I'll have to do some more research. |
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Post by gocoaztec on Jan 24, 2013 19:02:05 GMT -8
We will eventually need to move to the use of electricity for virtually all of our energy needs, including personal transportation. We will probably have to rely on traditional energy sources for some commercial transportation needs, such as ships and aircraft. Trains are already diesel-electic and could be converted to all electric, but it would be costly to install an overhead or 3rd rail system. Long haul trucks would probably have to use fossil fuels, but that would be dependent on battery technology.
All that said, the limiting factor is the production of cheap, clean an plentiful electricity. We are putting the cart before the horse by encouraging the production and sale of electric cars with federal dollars when instead we should be putting those dollars into R & D on energy production. Solar and wind have a future, but I think that we should have skipped the current generation and tried to develop the next generation, as the current equipment is not cost competitive with fossil fuels. Nuclear fusion could be the long term solution, but it may be a very long time until it can be developed. Other options include wave, tide, and geothermal. We will probably need an "all of the above" stategy, that includes clean fossil fuels, unless we hit a home run with something like fusion. This should come first, because electic cars make little sense until we have the power production capabilities.
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Jan 25, 2013 2:00:12 GMT -8
We will eventually need to move to the use of electricity for virtually all of our energy needs, including personal transportation. We will probably have to rely on traditional energy sources for some commercial transportation needs, such as ships and aircraft. Trains are already diesel-electic and could be converted to all electric, but it would be costly to install an overhead or 3rd rail system. Long haul trucks would probably have to use fossil fuels, but that would be dependent on battery technology. All that said, the limiting factor is the production of cheap, clean an plentiful electricity. We are putting the cart before the horse by encouraging the production and sale of electric cars with federal dollars when instead we should be putting those dollars into R & D on energy production. Solar and wind have a future, but I think that we should have skipped the current generation and tried to develop the next generation, as the current equipment is not cost competitive with fossil fuels. Nuclear fusion could be the long term solution, but it may be a very long time until it can be developed. Other options include wave, tide, and geothermal. We will probably need an "all of the above" stategy, that includes clean fossil fuels, unless we hit a home run with something like fusion. This should come first, because electic cars make little sense until we have the power production capabilities. DUH. How old are you? The first electric car was introduced into the market place in 1913. It failed then, and it has been failing ever since. Yesterday about noon, in the parking lot where I work, I witnessed AAA road service attending to a Prius which had broken down. The grey haired woman was really upset. What a comical picture it was. An electric car being serviced by AAA road service... So, when do we get to fly from Orange County to Reno on a Boeing 747 that is powered by electricity and not jet fuel? When? HAM |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jan 25, 2013 11:00:23 GMT -8
We will eventually need to move to the use of electricity for virtually all of our energy needs, including personal transportation. We will probably have to rely on traditional energy sources for some commercial transportation needs, such as ships and aircraft. Trains are already diesel-electic and could be converted to all electric, but it would be costly to install an overhead or 3rd rail system. Long haul trucks would probably have to use fossil fuels, but that would be dependent on battery technology. All that said, the limiting factor is the production of cheap, clean an plentiful electricity. We are putting the cart before the horse by encouraging the production and sale of electric cars with federal dollars when instead we should be putting those dollars into R & D on energy production. Solar and wind have a future, but I think that we should have skipped the current generation and tried to develop the next generation, as the current equipment is not cost competitive with fossil fuels. Nuclear fusion could be the long term solution, but it may be a very long time until it can be developed. Other options include wave, tide, and geothermal. We will probably need an "all of the above" stategy, that includes clean fossil fuels, unless we hit a home run with something like fusion. This should come first, because electic cars make little sense until we have the power production capabilities. DUH. How old are you? The first electric car was introduced into the market place in 1913. It failed then, and it has been failing ever since. Yesterday about noon, in the parking lot where I work, I witnessed AAA road service attending to a Prius which had broken down. The grey haired woman was really upset. What a comical picture it was. An electric car being serviced by AAA road service... So, when do we get to fly from Orange County to Reno on a Boeing 747 that is powered by electricity and not jet fuel? When? HAM You work in a parking lot. Now I understand your posts. ;D A Prius is a hybrid. It has a electric AND a gas motor. Maybe she had a flat tire. If you had been an attentive parking lot attendant you would have gone over and asked if she needed assistance. |
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Jan 26, 2013 8:24:19 GMT -8
YES!! On Wednesday, in the packin' lot, downstairs, below cell block 12, another broken down Prius was being helped by a AAA service tech with his AAA service truck...what a sad picture. The woman driver looked depressed. Um. A $40,000 price tag, only three years old, car loan balance still above $22,000, and the piece of junk is falling apart at the seams...
I'll go "green" as soon as I get fly coach on an electric jet to Chicargo.
TAXTAXTAXTAXTAXTAX
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Post by aztec70 on Jan 26, 2013 10:57:06 GMT -8
YES!! On Wednesday, in the packin' lot, downstairs, below cell block 12, another broken down Prius was being helped by a AAA service tech with his AAA service truck...what a sad picture. The woman driver looked depressed. Um. A $40,000 price tag, only three years old, car loan balance still above $22,000, and the piece of junk is falling apart at the seams... I'll go "green" as soon as I get fly coach on an electric jet to Chicargo. TAXTAXTAXTAXTAXTAXLOL. Another fail by the joke. |
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