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Post by cvtower on Nov 22, 2011 17:32:38 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 22, 2011 19:53:40 GMT -8
We robbed the Marlins again. Not quite to the Maybin extent, but LeBlanc really had no future here. Baker had a .349 OBP two seasons ago.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 20:52:41 GMT -8
WHATEVER
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 22, 2011 20:55:56 GMT -8
Who?
Wake me when the Padres acquire some real Major League talent.
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Post by AztecBill on Nov 23, 2011 11:39:32 GMT -8
One of the things on the off season list is a backup catcher. Check that off the list. One thing I like about Baker is his low fly ball percentage. I am a big advocate of getting players who hit line drives and ground balls. It mitigates a lot of the Petco Park effect on hitting. Hopefully that wasn't just luck and the Padres understand how fly balls are a negative for this team.
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Post by podpeople on Nov 23, 2011 11:50:25 GMT -8
One of the things on the off season list is a backup catcher. Check that off the list. One thing I like about Baker is his low fly ball percentage. I am a big advocate of getting players who hit line drives and ground balls. It mitigates a lot of the Petco Park effect on hitting. Hopefully that wasn't just luck and the Padres understand how fly balls are a negative for this team. Yes, Petco is not for the faint of heart, those that come in swinging for the fences might develop the "Quilvio Veras effect". The spicy second baseman had a propensity to take hay-maker hacks up at the plate, then watch, admire(?), as his towering fly ball reached the warning track for an out. For some reason the 5'8" second baseman could not get it through his head that he was not capable of hitting 30 homers a year at the Murph'. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 23, 2011 11:55:37 GMT -8
Padres hit .229 against righties last season. Baker is a really good pickup, and we got him for a 6th starter.
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Post by azson on Nov 23, 2011 13:57:36 GMT -8
He was a local stud up here in the bay area, played HS ball in Concord and I followed him when he played for Cal, he almost hit .400 in '02 with them. When he's healthy, he can rake.
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Post by azson on Nov 23, 2011 13:59:57 GMT -8
He's also a good dude, a philanthropist who was nominated for the Roberto Clemente award, among other humanitarian awards. He's visited the troops in the Middle East and he also helped victims of the earthquake in Haiti.
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Post by 1611Luginbill on Nov 24, 2011 17:26:22 GMT -8
Who?
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 24, 2011 20:48:20 GMT -8
Do you guys not watch baseball....?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2011 14:02:52 GMT -8
Decent pickup. LeBlanc isn't very good. Baker is a good hitter, though the Padres still have alot of holes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2011 14:07:02 GMT -8
One of the things on the off season list is a backup catcher. Check that off the list. One thing I like about Baker is his low fly ball percentage. I am a big advocate of getting players who hit line drives and ground balls. It mitigates a lot of the Petco Park effect on hitting. Hopefully that wasn't just luck and the Padres understand how fly balls are a negative for this team. Yes, Petco is not for the faint of heart, those that come in swinging for the fences might develop the "Quilvio Veras effect". The spicy second baseman had a propensity to take hay-maker hacks up at the plate, then watch, admire(?), as his towering fly ball reached the warning track for an out. For some reason the 5'8" second baseman could not get it through his head that he was not capable of hitting 30 homers a year at the Murph'. That's an odd recollection of Quilvio. He was a very productive and underrated 2B for the Padres. I'm sure he did occasionally hit a long fly ball to the warning track, but he also hit around .270, was terrific at getting on base (about . 370 was the norm for him for OBP), and steal 25-30 bags while playing B+ defense. I don't think he really had any illusions about being a power hitter. He hit 5 or 6 dingers a year, and his plate discipline was very good. Didn't strike out very often. I was disappointed when he left. |
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Post by aztecron on Nov 25, 2011 17:26:57 GMT -8
Who? Wake me when the Padres acquire some real Major League talent. Erik, just because you haven't heard of Baker doesn't mean he isn't a good player, or not of Major League talent. This guy was a good catcher before injury. I'm not saying he's star, but he was a good catcher pre-injury. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 26, 2011 18:36:49 GMT -8
Who? Wake me when the Padres acquire some real Major League talent. Erik, just because you haven't heard of Baker doesn't mean he isn't a good player, or not of Major League talent. This guy was a good catcher before injury. I'm not saying he's star, but he was a good catcher pre-injury. Pre-injury. Meaning he's possibly damaged goods and may never be a good player again (it happens a lot). He may have been a good player, but from all I've read he wasn't a great player. So even if he bounces back and plays like he did before he'll be a solid, but unspectacular player. The Padres need at least a couple great players to legitimately contend for a World Series title. And they have to be surrounded by a bunch of good players who fit together well to make that all work. Until the Pads really, honestly try to win a World Series I'm not on board. What's the point? To see whether or not they can cross the .500 mark? Whoop-dee-freaking-doo! The point of sport is to try to win championships. If that's not your goal (if you're not really trying) then you have no business being in the game. The Padres haven't really tried to win a World Series since 1998. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 27, 2011 12:27:56 GMT -8
You can't trade for "great players" unless you have great players to give up. We got Baker, a valuable asset at the hardest position to fill in the majors, for NOTHING. LeBlanc was nothing more than a fringe starter and he had no future here beyond a possible long relief, mop-up type role.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 27, 2011 17:22:14 GMT -8
You can't trade for "great players" unless you have great players to give up. We got Baker, a valuable asset at the hardest position to fill in the majors, for NOTHING. LeBlanc was nothing more than a fringe starter and he had no future here beyond a possible long relief, mop-up type role. That may be true, but this is still a last place team as of today. The management of the Padres has shown NO commitment to winning a World Series. Winning a World Series means spending money. Not necessarily a ton, but more than the bottom two or three teams. Middle of the pack money. And even then you've got to do a phenomenal job in the draft and picking up free agents that may be undervalued. What I'm seeing is a team that is still intent on putting out a bunch of scrubs and calling it a Major League roster. I'm not buying it, and neither should anyone else. This is a bunch of bullcrap. If ownership isn't truly committed to winning a World Series every year (at least TRYING to do that) then they have no business owning a Major League team. Period. If they didn't have the money to buy the team in the first place (as has been reported) then the league had no business approving the sale. |
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Post by aztecron on Nov 27, 2011 18:12:19 GMT -8
Erik, just because you haven't heard of Baker doesn't mean he isn't a good player, or not of Major League talent. This guy was a good catcher before injury. I'm not saying he's star, but he was a good catcher pre-injury. Pre-injury. Meaning he's possibly damaged goods and may never be a good player again (it happens a lot). He may have been a good player, but from all I've read he wasn't a great player. So even if he bounces back and plays like he did before he'll be a solid, but unspectacular player. The Padres need at least a couple great players to legitimately contend for a World Series title. And they have to be surrounded by a bunch of good players who fit together well to make that all work. Until the Pads really, honestly try to win a World Series I'm not on board. What's the point? To see whether or not they can cross the .500 mark? Whoop-dee-freaking-doo! The point of sport is to try to win championships. If that's not your goal (if you're not really trying) then you have no business being in the game. The Padres haven't really tried to win a World Series since 1998. No question. But, I like what we got for LeBlanc. I believe we got the better end of that deal. Our catching tandem of Hundley and Yorrealba was very good because of the addition of Yorvit to rest and share the duties with Hundley. I think we might be able to get back to that overall production form behind the plate with this trade. |
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Post by aztecron on Nov 27, 2011 18:23:09 GMT -8
Erik, just because you haven't heard of Baker doesn't mean he isn't a good player, or not of Major League talent. This guy was a good catcher before injury. I'm not saying he's star, but he was a good catcher pre-injury. Pre-injury. Meaning he's possibly damaged goods and may never be a good player again (it happens a lot). He may have been a good player, but from all I've read he wasn't a great player. So even if he bounces back and plays like he did before he'll be a solid, but unspectacular player. The Padres need at least a couple great players to legitimately contend for a World Series title. And they have to be surrounded by a bunch of good players who fit together well to make that all work. Until the Pads really, honestly try to win a World Series I'm not on board. What's the point? To see whether or not they can cross the .500 mark? Whoop-dee-freaking-doo! The point of sport is to try to win championships. If that's not your goal (if you're not really trying) then you have no business being in the game. The Padres haven't really tried to win a World Series since 1998. While I do agree with your overall sentiment, I believe it's easy for those of us who do not own a MLB team and all associated costs of running a franchise, to accuse team owners of not trying. In my opinion. If they funnel there money into the minor league system as is publicized then to me they're trying. I'm not ready yet to lump Moorad into our past history of futility minus a couple of brief periods of playoff baseball, at this point. I can't name a previous Padres owner who has paid the amount of bonuses to our draftees and invested in minor league operations than Moorad and his relatively new regime. Can you? I'm just curious, have you ever compared our TV broadcast rights to other teams? I'm not talking the Yankees with the YES network, nor the Red Sox with their NESN network. I mean like the Indians, Royals, Rangers, Astros, Giants, Dodgers etc...It will open your eyes. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 27, 2011 19:08:01 GMT -8
The year the Tampa Bay Rays went to the World Series (2008), the team payroll was 43 million dollars. It's not how much you have, it's what you do with it.
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