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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Oct 31, 2011 21:13:18 GMT -8
Are the Chargers any different than the Aztecs? Seems they both suck at winning the big games. Huge difference... They are 18-21 year old students. The Chargers are inept professionals getting paid big bucks! Chargers! Los Angeles awaits you... The move can't come soon enough! Please leave and NEVER return!
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Post by podpeople on Oct 31, 2011 21:18:35 GMT -8
I dont know how Rivers managed to blow that game. Unbelievable.
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Post by bearfoot on Oct 31, 2011 21:23:29 GMT -8
The only thing Norv did wrong in this game is keep throwing the ball. RUN THE f****** FOOTBALL!!! Your QB is awful, and you've got a top 15 pick there in the back field that you paid a boat load of money to be your star running back. It's like not giving Ronnie Hillman the ball in crunch time for the Aztecs. But then again, the guy is made of glass, and he got hurt AGAIN....... Norv Turner isn't the problem. AJ is the problem. Notice how bad the drafts have been since the departure of Buddy Nix? And will someone please tell me how the Buffalo Bills are doing this year? (Buddy Nix is now the GM of the Bills) These guys are such p*****s........ River's arm is what got them in position to kick the field goal until he lost the snap. Like you said, Mathews is a china doll so there was no using him. Norv didn't muff up the snap, he didn't lose the game for us. Acee is reporting that Brinkley has a concussion. I wonder when he got it.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 31, 2011 21:27:56 GMT -8
River's arm is what got them in position to kick the field goal until he lost the snap. Like you said, Mathews is a china doll so there was no using him. Norv didn't muff up the snap, he didn't lose the game for us. Acee is reporting that Brinkley has a concussion. I wonder when he got it. Heck of a first game of his career for Brinkley. I hope he's ok. We're going to need him.
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Post by NTU on Oct 31, 2011 21:44:56 GMT -8
The only thing Norv did wrong in this game is keep throwing the ball. RUN THE f****** FOOTBALL!!! Your QB is awful, and you've got a top 15 pick there in the back field that you paid a boat load of money to be your star running back. It's like not giving Ronnie Hillman the ball in crunch time for the Aztecs. But then again, the guy is made of glass, and he got hurt AGAIN....... Norv Turner isn't the problem. AJ is the problem. Notice how bad the drafts have been since the departure of Buddy Nix? And will someone please tell me how the Buffalo Bills are doing this year? (Buddy Nix is now the GM of the Bills) These guys are such p*****s........ You can't run the ball if you can't even perform the center snap WITHOUT DROPPING THE F-ING BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then there's that.......but who's fault is that?
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Post by NTU on Oct 31, 2011 21:46:46 GMT -8
Three drives, two INT's, and miserably off target. The guy can't make a decision to save his life, and is KILLING his team. I've said it all along: Drew Brees is 10x the player that Philip Rivers is. It's not even close. Rivers' receivers have made him look good in the past, but they can't bail him out now. Last I checked, Drew played down there is the Crescent City. You know, he's been there for a while too. Now, is Phillip better than Billy V? Comes down to the decision in 2006 to dump Brees in favor of Rivers. Last I checked Brees went on to win a Super Bowl in New Orleans with arguably less talent on his team than what Rivers had to work with in the same time frame here.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 1, 2011 8:28:58 GMT -8
Last I checked, Drew played down there is the Crescent City. You know, he's been there for a while too. Now, is Phillip better than Billy V? Comes down to the decision in 2006 to dump Brees in favor of Rivers. Last I checked Brees went on to win a Super Bowl in New Orleans with arguably less talent on his team than what Rivers had to work with in the same time frame here. I, too, think that getting rid of Brees was a mistake. Obviously, the Chargers thought otherwise. Rivers is superficially impressive but will never . . . repeat never . . . get this team to the Super Bowl. He is not as good as he or his team thinks he is. Flashy, maybe, but there is a certain hard-to-define quality that separates the truly great QBs from the pretenders. Rivers does not have that quality. Brees does, as did Favre, Montana, and others before them. Oh, yes, let's not forget that Turner will never lead any team to the Super Bowl either, no matter who is quarterbacking. AzWm
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 1, 2011 9:09:58 GMT -8
Acee is reporting that Brinkley has a concussion. I wonder when he got it. Heck of a first game of his career for Brinkley. I hope he's ok. We're going to need him. For what, covering fumbles and tackling dbs?
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Post by ragin'aztec on Nov 1, 2011 10:41:01 GMT -8
I wish I could just forget what happened last night...
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 1, 2011 10:50:03 GMT -8
Heck of a first game of his career for Brinkley. I hope he's ok. We're going to need him. For what, covering fumbles and tackling dbs? You'd be the only guy who didn't think Brinkley had a good game.
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Post by bearfoot on Nov 1, 2011 11:49:46 GMT -8
Last I checked, Drew played down there is the Crescent City. You know, he's been there for a while too. Now, is Phillip better than Billy V? Comes down to the decision in 2006 to dump Brees in favor of Rivers. Last I checked Brees went on to win a Super Bowl in New Orleans with arguably less talent on his team than what Rivers had to work with in the same time frame here. Every doctor that looked at the damage to Drew's shoulder said he'd be out for a year, and then there were no guarantees his arm when he was better. Only Miami and NO were interested in him. I love Drew, but his recovery was amazing.
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Post by AZTECaGOGO on Nov 1, 2011 11:55:05 GMT -8
Last I checked, Drew played down there is the Crescent City. You know, he's been there for a while too. Now, is Phillip better than Billy V? Comes down to the decision in 2006 to dump Brees in favor of Rivers. Last I checked Brees went on to win a Super Bowl in New Orleans with arguably less talent on his team than what Rivers had to work with in the same time frame here. Brees plays in such a radically different system in NO that allows him to flourish. I get so tired of the people who say we should have kept Brees. We had Brees for 5 years, I don't recall him doing anything particularly memorable... He had an overall record of 30-28 (51% wpct) as the starter in SD (compared to Rivers' 55-25, 69% wpct), he made 1 Pro Bowl (as an alternate, no less) and won "Comeback Player of the Year" in 2004 with the Chargers, that's pretty much it. The combo of Marty/Norv's stagnant styles of play calling wouldn't have allowed Brees to ever become the player he is now under Sean Payotn. Plus, we traded a #1 overall draft pick to get Rivers, and re-signing Brees after shoulder surgery on his throwing arm, especially for the price he was going to get, would have been a total gamble. Plus, if Brees were still in San Diego, still the starting QB, and if the Chargers still sucked, which they would, you would just be complaining about how we traded away a #1 overall draft pick to have Rivers sit on the bench. Its not rocket science, Brees never would have achieved anything in San Diego.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 1, 2011 12:57:40 GMT -8
For what, covering fumbles and tackling dbs? You'd be the only guy who didn't think Brinkley had a good game. He did have a good game & they will need him to tackle after River's INT's and try to cover Phil's fumbles. OK?
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Post by NTU on Nov 1, 2011 15:41:06 GMT -8
Comes down to the decision in 2006 to dump Brees in favor of Rivers. Last I checked Brees went on to win a Super Bowl in New Orleans with arguably less talent on his team than what Rivers had to work with in the same time frame here. Every doctor that looked at the damage to Drew's shoulder said he'd be out for a year, and then there were no guarantees his arm when he was better. Only Miami and NO were interested in him. I love Drew, but his recovery was amazing. Anybody who knew Drew knew that he would recover just fine. If you've ever been around him, you'd know what kind of competitor he is, how hard he works, and how focused he can become. There was no doubt in my mind that he would make it back, despite the questions raised by his doctors. The injury was merely the excuse AJ needed to get rid of the guy and install his own guy. If it weren't for the shoulder injury (thanks effing DONKEYS!) I don't think that AJ ever could have convinced Dean Spanos to allow him to let Drew go. Prior to the injury Dean had publicly stated that it was a top priority to get Brees re-signed. The injury changed all that (because of AJ's cajoling). But like I said, if you knew him (and wanted him on your team) then you knew he would make it back.
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Post by NTU on Nov 1, 2011 15:49:46 GMT -8
Comes down to the decision in 2006 to dump Brees in favor of Rivers. Last I checked Brees went on to win a Super Bowl in New Orleans with arguably less talent on his team than what Rivers had to work with in the same time frame here. Brees plays in such a radically different system in NO that allows him to flourish. I get so tired of the people who say we should have kept Brees. We had Brees for 5 years, I don't recall him doing anything particularly memorable... He had an overall record of 30-28 (51% wpct) as the starter in SD (compared to Rivers' 55-25, 69% wpct), he made 1 Pro Bowl (as an alternate, no less) and won "Comeback Player of the Year" in 2004 with the Chargers, that's pretty much it. The combo of Marty/Norv's stagnant styles of play calling wouldn't have allowed Brees to ever become the player he is now under Sean Payotn. Plus, we traded a #1 overall draft pick to get Rivers, and re-signing Brees after shoulder surgery on his throwing arm, especially for the price he was going to get, would have been a total gamble. Plus, if Brees were still in San Diego, still the starting QB, and if the Chargers still sucked, which they would, you would just be complaining about how we traded away a #1 overall draft pick to have Rivers sit on the bench. Its not rocket science, Brees never would have achieved anything in San Diego. 2001-2003 he played for a miserable team with no offensive line and only a running back to help him out. No receivers to speak of (David Boston was supposed to be THE GUY.......what does that tell you?). 2004 was his "breakout" year. He fixed his footwork problem (overstrided on the deep ball), the team gave him a completely revamped offensive line to play behind (all 5 were new starters, including two rookies), and some receiving help to go with LT. It was also the first year that Gates became a prominent part of the offense, as he was the starter from day one, as opposed to 2003 when he rarely saw the field. 2004 record: 12-4, division title, and first playoff appearance in 9 years. You can't blame the misery of the Mike Riley era on Brees, and you can't blame him for the dismal first two years under Marty Schottenheimer (although the first year they went 8-8). And oh-by-the-way: 2004 was also the first year they brought in Wade Phillips and switched to a 3-4 defense, complete with new personnel to match the scheme. You have to look at the bigger picture, and not just Brees' numbers. Even in 2005, although they missed the playoffs at 9-7, Brees was still voted into the Pro Bowl. And no, it's not a "radically different system" in New Orleans. In fact, it's quite similar. Not exactly the same, but similar with similar concepts.
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Post by socal on Nov 2, 2011 21:14:43 GMT -8
Last I checked, Drew played down there is the Crescent City. You know, he's been there for a while too. Now, is Phillip better than Billy V? Comes down to the decision in 2006 to dump Brees in favor of Rivers. Last I checked Brees went on to win a Super Bowl in New Orleans with arguably less talent on his team than what Rivers had to work with in the same time frame here. Brees wouldn't possibly get his ass kicked by a winless 0-6 Rams team and score the ONLY offensive TD with 4 mins left in the game. Or he wouldn't GET DESTROYED by a playoff team with a losing record. bull$#!+ also on the "less talented" part for NO team. Rivers is having a bad year but his WIN-LOSS record in regular season puts Brees to shame. NO was the ONLY team in the league to make Brees a legit offer with Miami expressing interest. That tells you 29 NFL teams had the same opinion of Brees when he was a Free Agent. Spare me your BS.
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 2, 2011 21:48:34 GMT -8
Every doctor that looked at the damage to Drew's shoulder said he'd be out for a year, and then there were no guarantees his arm when he was better. Only Miami and NO were interested in him. I love Drew, but his recovery was amazing. Anybody who knew Drew knew that he would recover just fine. If you've ever been around him, you'd know what kind of competitor he is, how hard he works, and how focused he can become. There was no doubt in my mind that he would make it back, despite the questions raised by his doctors. The injury was merely the excuse AJ needed to get rid of the guy and install his own guy. If it weren't for the shoulder injury (thanks effing DONKEYS!) I don't think that AJ ever could have convinced Dean Spanos to allow him to let Drew go. Prior to the injury Dean had publicly stated that it was a top priority to get Brees re-signed. The injury changed all that (because of AJ's cajoling). But like I said, if you knew him (and wanted him on your team) then you knew he would make it back. Teams couldn't just HOPE that Brees's shoulder was going to be ok. They HAD to listen to the doctors. That's why only two other teams wanted him. 29 didn't. The Chargers couldn't just say, well, he's got a great competitive nature to him so let's take a chance. There was a ton of money riding on him. Not only on him, but you had a really good QB waiting in the wings who was also making, or going to make a ton of money to sit on the bench. In this case, the doctors opinions ruled. VERY understandable. It was simply a business decision.
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Post by sdbiased on Nov 3, 2011 14:15:51 GMT -8
I think Phillip is hurt.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2011 15:30:48 GMT -8
Rivers is a stud. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know how to watch football.
To say that he was a product of his recievers is pure bull$#!+ considering last year VJ was out for basically the entire year, and Floyd and Gates were hurt.
He made Ajuratutu into a stud.
He's had a few bad games and a few unlucky tipped passes but he is still a top 5 QB in the league without a doubt.
Can we please stop comparing Brees and Rivers? They are both great quarterbacks and there was no wrong decision to be made. Both guys were really well respected within the lockerroom and through out the league. Both a great leaders.
Last I checked Brees had two years here with a crazy talented team and went 12-4 and lost to the Jets (The original eff Nate Kaeding game) and also when he went 9-7 and finsihed in 3rd place. He never even won a playoff game. At least Rivers has won 3.
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 3, 2011 18:18:47 GMT -8
Rivers is a stud. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know how to watch football. To say that he was a product of his recievers is pure bull$#!+ considering last year VJ was out for basically the entire year, and Floyd and Gates were hurt. He made Ajuratutu into a stud. He's had a few bad games and a few unlucky tipped passes but he is still a top 5 QB in the league without a doubt. Can we please stop comparing Brees and Rivers? They are both great quarterbacks and there was no wrong decision to be made. Both guys were really well respected within the lockerroom and through out the league. Both a great leaders. Last I checked Brees had two years here with a crazy talented team and went 12-4 and lost to the Jets (The original eff Nate Kaeding game) and also when he went 9-7 and finsihed in 3rd place. He never even won a playoff game. At least Rivers has won 3. This. If he went on the free agent market, just about EVERYBODY would want him. That's proof right there that he's a top tier QB. You'll notice that Drew Brees fans, and I mean the ones that didn't want him to go, and didn't think Rivers could do the job, are the ones that will jump all over Rivers as soon as he has a bad game.
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