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Post by NTU on Oct 23, 2011 13:35:02 GMT -8
No. He's an idiot. He let the fanbase dictate who plays, and that's the single WORST mistake a coach can make. Tebow is horrible. I would have gone to Brady Quinn before Tebow. This is a really good way to get yourself fired. The Broncos will be hard pressed to win another game this year. On another note: Philip Rivers is the single most OVERRATED QB in the game of football. Tebow and Aztec John Fox beg to differ. Fox's Gamble pays off as Tebow willed the win today and put the team on his back in the 4Q. Made Fox look smart even if it was Miami. PS, Norbert Turner is the one overrated. Rivers just had a bad 2 H. Against a team that isn't 0-6 he doesn't complete that comeback. He was 4-16 at one point in the 2nd half. The game tying TD pass came on a simple screen route. I like John Fox, but he seriously screwed the pooch on this one. The fact that the Dolphins are so completely inept saved his bacon today.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 23, 2011 13:42:43 GMT -8
Tebow and Aztec John Fox beg to differ. Fox's Gamble pays off as Tebow willed the win today and put the team on his back in the 4Q. Made Fox look smart even if it was Miami. PS, Norbert Turner is the one overrated. Rivers just had a bad 2 H. Against a team that isn't 0-6 he doesn't complete that comeback. He was 4-16 at one point in the 2nd half. The game tying TD pass came on a simple screen route. I like John Fox, but he seriously screwed the pooch on this one. The fact that the Dolphins are so completely inept saved his bacon today. Quite the contrary. Fox, as it turns out, was very smart to give Tebow his first start against a team the caliber of Miami. I don't care how they got it done. All I know is that they got it done.
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Post by NTU on Oct 23, 2011 13:45:14 GMT -8
Against a team that isn't 0-6 he doesn't complete that comeback. He was 4-16 at one point in the 2nd half. The game tying TD pass came on a simple screen route. I like John Fox, but he seriously screwed the pooch on this one. The fact that the Dolphins are so completely inept saved his bacon today. Quite the contrary. Fox, as it turns out, was very smart to give Tebow his first start against a team the caliber of Miami. I don't care how they got it done. All I know is that they got it done. Of course he was smart to do it against Miami. I'm just saying that it doesn't prove ANYTHING. Just wait 'til they see some real competition. That 4-16 stat line ain't gonna get it done, and I don't think that you can ever expect much better than that from him. Tebow's main strength is his ability to run. Watch the highlights and see what they were doing with their running game: Every play was a read option, where Tebow steps up before handing it off, threatening to keep the ball and run.......ON VIRTUALLY EVERY PLAY! That's not going to win you a lot of games in the NFL. This ain't college.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Oct 23, 2011 13:48:27 GMT -8
Quite the contrary. Fox, as it turns out, was very smart to give Tebow his first start against a team the caliber of Miami. I don't care how they got it done. All I know is that they got it done. Of course he was smart to do it against Miami. I'm just saying that it doesn't prove ANYTHING. Just wait 'til they see some real competition. That 4-16 stat line ain't gonna get it done, and I don't think that you can ever expect much better than that from him. Tebow's main strength is his ability to run. Watch the highlights and see what they were doing with their running game: Every play was a read option, where Tebow steps up before handing it off, threatening to keep the ball and run.......ON VIRTUALLY EVERY PLAY! That's not going to win you a lot of games in the NFL. This ain't college. It's pro football, any given Sunday... 15 points on your own in three minutes against any team is notable. You know that too... Fox is taking chances and earning the reward. Go Aztec!
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 23, 2011 13:51:52 GMT -8
Quite the contrary. Fox, as it turns out, was very smart to give Tebow his first start against a team the caliber of Miami. I don't care how they got it done. All I know is that they got it done. Of course he was smart to do it against Miami. I'm just saying that it doesn't prove ANYTHING. Just wait 'til they see some real competition. That 4-16 stat line ain't gonna get it done, and I don't think that you can ever expect much better than that from him. Well, Orton wasn't the answer either. At some point you have to find out what he's made of. Learn on the job. Denver wasn't going to the playoffs with Orton. I think it was a good call, and the right time to start Tebow. They obviously know he's going to have some ups and downs, and are willing to roll with it. Tebow does have the knack to will his team to victory. There's no teaching that. Orton doesn't have that quality.
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Post by NTU on Oct 23, 2011 14:00:23 GMT -8
Of course he was smart to do it against Miami. I'm just saying that it doesn't prove ANYTHING. Just wait 'til they see some real competition. That 4-16 stat line ain't gonna get it done, and I don't think that you can ever expect much better than that from him. Tebow's main strength is his ability to run. Watch the highlights and see what they were doing with their running game: Every play was a read option, where Tebow steps up before handing it off, threatening to keep the ball and run.......ON VIRTUALLY EVERY PLAY! That's not going to win you a lot of games in the NFL. This ain't college. It's pro football, any given Sunday... 15 points on your own in three minutes against any team is notable. You know that too... Fox is taking chances and earning the reward. Go Aztec! Your loyalty to Fox is notable and commendable, but he allowed fan pressure to make the decision for him. That is a cardinal sin. Every scout in the NFL knew what Tebow was all about. They all knew what to expect from him and not a single team had him graded in the first round. Josh McDaniels was the only one (and I mean Josh McDaniels, not the Broncos scouting staff). The kid is a runner. His success in college came from his ability to run with the football. That is not going to be a recipe for success in the NFL.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 23, 2011 14:09:59 GMT -8
It's pro football, any given Sunday... 15 points on your own in three minutes against any team is notable. You know that too... Fox is taking chances and earning the reward. Go Aztec! Your loyalty to Fox is notable and commendable, but he allowed fan pressure to make the decision for him. That is a cardinal sin. Every scout in the NFL knew what Tebow was all about. They all knew what to expect from him and not a single team had him graded in the first round. Josh McDaniels was the only one (and I mean Josh McDaniels, not the Broncos scouting staff). The kid is a runner. His success in college came from his ability to run with the football. That is not going to be a recipe for success in the NFL. I'm sure the owner, and Elway had something to say about that as well. So I think Fox had pressure from all directions which sucks. Having said that, Tebow's ability to run, ala Vick, and get out of trouble will serve him well and buy him time to make some plays. The more experience he gets back there, there's a chance his touch and accuracy will develop as well. Also, NEVER discount that intangible he has, the ability to will his team to victory. It's HUGE in sports.
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Post by NTU on Oct 23, 2011 14:17:52 GMT -8
Your loyalty to Fox is notable and commendable, but he allowed fan pressure to make the decision for him. That is a cardinal sin. Every scout in the NFL knew what Tebow was all about. They all knew what to expect from him and not a single team had him graded in the first round. Josh McDaniels was the only one (and I mean Josh McDaniels, not the Broncos scouting staff). The kid is a runner. His success in college came from his ability to run with the football. That is not going to be a recipe for success in the NFL. I'm sure the owner, and Elway had something to say about that as well. So I think Fox had pressure from all directions which sucks. Having said that, Tebow's ability to run, ala Vick, and get out of trouble will serve him well and buy him time to make some plays. The more experience he gets back there, there's a chance his touch and accuracy will develop as well. Also, NEVER discount that intangible he has, the ability to will his team to victory. It's HUGE in sports. Elway was not directly involved with the team back then, so he had nothing to do with it. Bowlen has a history of deferring all football decisions to his head coach, not the GM. McDaniels wanted him, so they took him. If his touch and accuracy haven't developed by now, they never will. The guy has a horrible release, and that too will hurt him. And don't go comparing him to Michael Vick--there is no comparison. Vick had a rocket launcher for a left arm, has one of the quickest, purest releases I've ever seen, and his ability to run the ball only enhanced his passing skills. Vick can pinpoint the ball. Tebow cannot. Vick has also worked extremely hard on becoming more of a pocket QB, something that I just can't see happening with Tebow. I honestly don't think he can read defenses well enough. Put it this way: The fans in Buffalo and then here in San Diego all wanted to see Doug Flutie play. Flutie was similar to Tebow in that he had a great ability to improvise. But he was much more effective as a change of pace guy. When teams had a chance to prepare for him, he struggled--teams would scheme to take away his running ability and force him to throw the ball, which he struggled with. When he was improvising, there was no one better. But when he was asked to stand in there, read a defense, and make a decision, he didn't perform so well. Same with Tebow. Once teams can prepare for him, they will shut him down. Force him to throw the ball downfield and he will struggle mightily.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 23, 2011 14:28:31 GMT -8
I'm sure the owner, and Elway had something to say about that as well. So I think Fox had pressure from all directions which sucks. Having said that, Tebow's ability to run, ala Vick, and get out of trouble will serve him well and buy him time to make some plays. The more experience he gets back there, there's a chance his touch and accuracy will develop as well. Also, NEVER discount that intangible he has, the ability to will his team to victory. It's HUGE in sports. Elway was not directly involved with the team back then, so he had nothing to do with it. Bowlen has a history of deferring all football decisions to his head coach, not the GM. McDaniels wanted him, so they took him. If his touch and accuracy haven't developed by now, they never will. The guy has a horrible release, and that too will hurt him. And don't go comparing him to Michael Vick--there is no comparison. Vick had a rocket launcher for a left arm, has one of the quickest, purest releases I've ever seen, and his ability to run the ball only enhanced his passing skills. Vick can pinpoint the ball. Tebow cannot. Vick has also worked extremely hard on becoming more of a pocket QB, something that I just can't see happening with Tebow. I honestly don't think he can read defenses well enough. Put it this way: The fans in Buffalo and then here in San Diego all wanted to see Doug Flutie play. Flutie was similar to Tebow in that he had a great ability to improvise. But he was much more effective as a change of pace guy. When teams had a chance to prepare for him, he struggled--teams would scheme to take away his running ability and force him to throw the ball, which he struggled with. When he was improvising, there was no one better. But when he was asked to stand in there, read a defense, and make a decision, he didn't perform so well. Same with Tebow. Once teams can prepare for him, they will shut him down. Force him to throw the ball downfield and he will struggle mightily. Let me clarify. I was saying that the owner and Elway probably had something to do with the change of QB as well. I wasn't talking about the drafting of Tebow. Also, I was only comparing Tebow's ability to avoid the rush, and gain yards with his legs to Vicks, not his throwing ability. He's not on par with Vick in the rushing department, but you know what I mean. Only time will tell with Tebow, but he may surprise you. I believe he's better than you think.
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Post by NTU on Oct 23, 2011 14:30:26 GMT -8
Elway was not directly involved with the team back then, so he had nothing to do with it. Bowlen has a history of deferring all football decisions to his head coach, not the GM. McDaniels wanted him, so they took him. If his touch and accuracy haven't developed by now, they never will. The guy has a horrible release, and that too will hurt him. And don't go comparing him to Michael Vick--there is no comparison. Vick had a rocket launcher for a left arm, has one of the quickest, purest releases I've ever seen, and his ability to run the ball only enhanced his passing skills. Vick can pinpoint the ball. Tebow cannot. Vick has also worked extremely hard on becoming more of a pocket QB, something that I just can't see happening with Tebow. I honestly don't think he can read defenses well enough. Put it this way: The fans in Buffalo and then here in San Diego all wanted to see Doug Flutie play. Flutie was similar to Tebow in that he had a great ability to improvise. But he was much more effective as a change of pace guy. When teams had a chance to prepare for him, he struggled--teams would scheme to take away his running ability and force him to throw the ball, which he struggled with. When he was improvising, there was no one better. But when he was asked to stand in there, read a defense, and make a decision, he didn't perform so well. Same with Tebow. Once teams can prepare for him, they will shut him down. Force him to throw the ball downfield and he will struggle mightily. Let me clarify. I was saying that the owner and Elway probably had something to do with the change of QB as well. I wasn't talking about the drafting of Tebow. Also, I was only comparing Tebow's ability to avoid the rush, and gain yards with his legs to Vicks, not his throwing ability. He's not on par with Vick in the rushing department, but you know what I mean. Only time will tell with Tebow, but he may surprise you. I believe he's better than you think. Well, I'll tell you this: The rest of the NFL is hoping that they stick with him long term, because the rest of league sees pretty much the same thing I do.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Oct 23, 2011 14:33:59 GMT -8
It's pro football, any given Sunday... 15 points on your own in three minutes against any team is notable. You know that too... Fox is taking chances and earning the reward. Go Aztec! Your loyalty to Fox is notable and commendable, but he allowed fan pressure to make the decision for him. That is a cardinal sin. Every scout in the NFL knew what Tebow was all about. They all knew what to expect from him and not a single team had him graded in the first round. Josh McDaniels was the only one (and I mean Josh McDaniels, not the Broncos scouting staff). The kid is a runner. His success in college came from his ability to run with the football. That is not going to be a recipe for success in the NFL. How do you know what the reason was? Orton was sucking bad and benched in the game against the Chargers. Tebow provided a spark. I certainly would have played Tebow over Brady. Sometimes leadership is more important than tools. Tebow has a hell of a lot of exemplary leadership and drive. Perhaps he will usher a new style of offense that works? One never knows. Grading QBs is oversold. Exhibit one: Ryan Leaf, exhibit two: Tom Brady. Sometimes it is an intangible that proves the difference. Sproles was too small, right?
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Post by 78aztec82 on Oct 23, 2011 14:35:59 GMT -8
Elway was not directly involved with the team back then, so he had nothing to do with it. Bowlen has a history of deferring all football decisions to his head coach, not the GM. McDaniels wanted him, so they took him. If his touch and accuracy haven't developed by now, they never will. The guy has a horrible release, and that too will hurt him. And don't go comparing him to Michael Vick--there is no comparison. Vick had a rocket launcher for a left arm, has one of the quickest, purest releases I've ever seen, and his ability to run the ball only enhanced his passing skills. Vick can pinpoint the ball. Tebow cannot. Vick has also worked extremely hard on becoming more of a pocket QB, something that I just can't see happening with Tebow. I honestly don't think he can read defenses well enough. Put it this way: The fans in Buffalo and then here in San Diego all wanted to see Doug Flutie play. Flutie was similar to Tebow in that he had a great ability to improvise. But he was much more effective as a change of pace guy. When teams had a chance to prepare for him, he struggled--teams would scheme to take away his running ability and force him to throw the ball, which he struggled with. When he was improvising, there was no one better. But when he was asked to stand in there, read a defense, and make a decision, he didn't perform so well. Same with Tebow. Once teams can prepare for him, they will shut him down. Force him to throw the ball downfield and he will struggle mightily. Let me clarify. I was saying that the owner and Elway probably had something to do with the change of QB as well. I wasn't talking about the drafting of Tebow. Also, I was only comparing Tebow's ability to avoid the rush, and gain yards with his legs to Vicks, not his throwing ability. He's not on par with Vick in the rushing department, but you know what I mean. Only time will tell with Tebow, but he may surprise you. I believe he's better than you think. Tebow will prove more resilient than Vick, if he plays. That means something.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 23, 2011 14:45:47 GMT -8
Let me clarify. I was saying that the owner and Elway probably had something to do with the change of QB as well. I wasn't talking about the drafting of Tebow. Also, I was only comparing Tebow's ability to avoid the rush, and gain yards with his legs to Vicks, not his throwing ability. He's not on par with Vick in the rushing department, but you know what I mean. Only time will tell with Tebow, but he may surprise you. I believe he's better than you think. Well, I'll tell you this: The rest of the NFL is hoping that they stick with him long term, because the rest of league sees pretty much the same thing I do. I know what alot of people in the league think of his ability, and these same people have been wrong MANY times before about what they THINK. Refer to 78aztec82's post for a small sampling. Again, what he has going for him is that huge intangible, his will. Also his GREAT leadership skills. You can't teach those things. We'll see.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 23, 2011 14:47:07 GMT -8
Let me clarify. I was saying that the owner and Elway probably had something to do with the change of QB as well. I wasn't talking about the drafting of Tebow. Also, I was only comparing Tebow's ability to avoid the rush, and gain yards with his legs to Vicks, not his throwing ability. He's not on par with Vick in the rushing department, but you know what I mean. Only time will tell with Tebow, but he may surprise you. I believe he's better than you think. Tebow will prove more resilient than Vick, if he plays. That means something. I agree.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Dec 5, 2011 3:38:15 GMT -8
It's pro football, any given Sunday... 15 points on your own in three minutes against any team is notable. You know that too... Fox is taking chances and earning the reward. Go Aztec! Your loyalty to Fox is notable and commendable, but he allowed fan pressure to make the decision for him. That is a cardinal sin. Every scout in the NFL knew what Tebow was all about. They all knew what to expect from him and not a single team had him graded in the first round. Josh McDaniels was the only one (and I mean Josh McDaniels, not the Broncos scouting staff). The kid is a runner. His success in college came from his ability to run with the football. That is not going to be a recipe for success in the NFL. I think our fellow Aztec is making a lot of critics change their minds. He's bringing along Tebow well.
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 6, 2011 18:37:02 GMT -8
Your loyalty to Fox is notable and commendable, but he allowed fan pressure to make the decision for him. That is a cardinal sin. Every scout in the NFL knew what Tebow was all about. They all knew what to expect from him and not a single team had him graded in the first round. Josh McDaniels was the only one (and I mean Josh McDaniels, not the Broncos scouting staff). The kid is a runner. His success in college came from his ability to run with the football. That is not going to be a recipe for success in the NFL. I think our fellow Aztec is making a lot of critics change their minds. He's bringing along Tebow well. You got that straight!!!!!!
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Post by jonnyaztec94 on Dec 11, 2011 16:42:43 GMT -8
8-5 for the Broncos. Tebow definitely inspires the team to a higher level.
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