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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Oct 10, 2011 1:17:25 GMT -8
Hey Rule, I have an idea to make everybody happier. Why don't you guys (Far Right-Tea Party) create your own state or country and move there... The problem with the extremes is that their absolutist ideologies make it difficult to work together to solve problems -- and ultimately, we have to work together. Which means that, while you were being intentionally absurd, your "solution" doesn't solve anything. The thrust should be to bring parties together -- not to split them even further apart. So I suggest that you and rule move in together. Yoda out... . Compromise isn't always a good thing (look at the budget deal), especially when you think the other position will make things worse. Standing up for what you believe in doesn't make you a bad person. Anti-War people weren't Anti-America when they opposed the wars during Bush's presidency and the TP (or at least the small federal government folks) aren't extremists because they want to make the federal government smaller. |
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Post by Yoda on Oct 10, 2011 6:31:00 GMT -8
You may disagree with me and that's fine. If that makes me far-right in your eyes then so be it. Nobody asked me, and I don't think that anyone should really care, but my own observation would be that you and win are fairly far right -- but not to the point of being ideologues. You have and use critical thinking skills -- however flawed they may be. ;-) On the other hand, davdesid, afan or william, in my opinion, don't have or at least use critical thinking skills and seem to just lap up and regurgitate far right dogma without ever really questioning it. Given the ongoing spitting contests that exist here, however, I doubt that many of the liberals would cut you or win that concession. Yoda out... . |
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Post by uwaztec on Oct 10, 2011 7:32:46 GMT -8
You may disagree with me and that's fine. If that makes me far-right in your eyes then so be it. Nobody asked me, and I don't think that anyone should really care, but my own observation would be that you and win are fairly far right -- but not to the point of being ideologues. You have and use critical thinking skills -- however flawed they may be. ;-) On the other hand, davdesid, afan or william, in my opinion, don't have or at least use critical thinking skills and seem to just lap up and regurgitate far right dogma without ever really questioning it. Given the ongoing spitting contests that exist here, however, I doubt that many of the liberals would cut you or win that concession. Yoda out... . I think Rule just will not acknowledge that the far right has morphed with the tea party and that there is a ton of baggage there. Should the government be streamlined in some areas...of course it should. However the discourse put forth by many spokesman for the tea party is ridiculous...basically government hating, when its government they and their families have used to get ahead for years. It's intellectually ridiculous. Win's a fine guy and as ascerbic as Davesid is.... I'd have a cup of coffee with him anytime. |
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Post by Yoda on Oct 10, 2011 8:48:32 GMT -8
I think Rule just will not acknowledge that the far right has morphed with the tea party and that there is a ton of baggage there. Should the government be streamlined in some areas...of course it should. However the discourse put forth by many spokesman for the tea party is ridiculous...basically government hating, when its government they and their families have used to get ahead for years. It's intellectually ridiculous. Win's a fine guy and as ascerbic as Davesid is.... I'd have a cup of coffee with him anytime. On CNBC this morning, somebody pointed out that there are three Republican parties: 1. Business conservatives 2. Religious conservatives 3. Tea Party conservatives Personally, I think I'd call it less of a morphing than an alliance. If the Democrats decided not to run anybody this year, those three groups would kill each other as their goals not only don't entirely coincide but they are diametrically opposed in some areas. The Tea Party has a bit of a libertarian streak, for example, while the religious conservatives wish to restrict personal freedom and impose their religious beliefs. Yoda out... . |
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Post by azteccc on Oct 10, 2011 13:28:35 GMT -8
The problem with the extremes is that their absolutist ideologies make it difficult to work together to solve problems -- and ultimately, we have to work together. Which means that, while you were being intentionally absurd, your "solution" doesn't solve anything. The thrust should be to bring parties together -- not to split them even further apart. So I suggest that you and rule move in together. Yoda out... . Compromise isn't always a good thing (look at the budget deal), especially when you think the other position will make things worse. Standing up for what you believe in doesn't make you a bad person. Anti-War people weren't Anti-America when they opposed the wars during Bush's presidency and the TP (or at least the small federal government folks) aren't extremists because they want to make the federal government smaller. If the tp's only goal was actually reducing federal government size as advertised (and i think cutting the deficit would be included), that would be a respectable and adult conversation to have, and would not in and of itself isolated the tp from mainstream america. This isn't what the tp is, though. It's fiscal conservatism to a libertarian degree, combined with the nastiest social policies, a stain of christianity, and a lack of fundamental economics education. And I concede this doesn't include everyone from the right, or even everyone aligning with the tp. But in the current national discourse the loudest voices from either side have been the most extreme right on all issues, and they are swaying policy decision from their corner. I have always been open to differences in economic policy, since no one really knows for certain the directions we are headed and the impact of spending or cutting, etc. But again, it seems that the tp lets their social morality compass get in the way of cogent rhetoric. If you want to claim that our deficit and debt is our nation's biggest concern, you can't start with planned parenthood and be taken seriously. You can't propose raising the DoD budget while cutting from the fringe (i.e. social programs). You cant campaign for the lowest taxes in the history of our country without proposing a way to pay for it. You can't say you're worried about the unemployment rate while cutting UI, Medicaid, and taxes for corporations. You can't say you want straightforward politics and not support campaign finance reform. If the tp really wanted smaller government and less debt, they would focus their efforts on ending the wars, slashing the DoD, lowering tax rates for working folks and actually charging corporations taxes, addressing medicare, medicaid, and social security... they wouldn't WORRY ABOUT BIRTH CERTIFICATES, COLLEGE TRANSCRIPTS, SOLYNDRA, etc. Buuut lets be real, we really don't believe these are their true motives. |
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Post by davdesid on Oct 10, 2011 15:06:47 GMT -8
>>>So argue with me. Do you really think that the extreme right has instilled confidence in the government and its institutions? The whole movement is about dismembering government, attacking the institutions of government, etc.<<<YoYo I don't know what "movement" you are referring to. I'm certainly not for "dismembering" government, and don't know anyone who is. I think the federal government ought to be limited to the powers granted in the Constitution, and the Tenth Amendment should be respected. I believe the federal government has usurped power far beyond what was ceded to it. >>>Congress sucks.<<< YoYo I think recent polls have indicated that nearly 90% of the public agrees with this statement. Are there really that many "extreme" right-wing whackos in the general population? If so, where does that put you? articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/16/news/la-pn-gallup-poll-congress-20110816>>>The liberal courts suck.<<<YoYo When they make law from the bench, they certainly do "suck". >>>The Fed sucks.<<<YoYo I'm agnostic on this one. >>>The President and every single one of his appointees suck.<<<YoYo See G.W.Bush, and get back on this one. >>>Our civil servants all pretty much suck. Lazy. Greedy. Would never make it in the business world. Unethical. Sold out to the left.<<<YoYo Some do, some don't. But, see Geithner, Immelt, Frank Raines, Jamie Gorelick, et al, for those who suck, are greedy, unethical, sold out, and yet made it just fine in the business world. As for your absolutely pathetic attempt to introduce a comparison between what I "think" and communism, all I can say is that it is a breathtaking insult to the scores of millions of people who perished under the atrocity of communism over the course of the 20th century. And your appeal to the phantom "critical thinking" canard is nothing more than a slogan used by libtards which translates into "if you disagree with us, you are incapable of critical thinking." bull$#!+. Just look at some of the wild-eyed charges libtards like you have made. And don't forget this crap you posted a while back: >>>Don't have a link, but will look... <<< >>>...but approx. 25% of the tea party thinks that Obama is the "Antichrist" not the figurative one, but the real one!<<< >>> ...there is definitely an element of "crazy" with that organization.<<< If that represents "critical thinking", I want no part of it. But it's your version. A version of a "passionate moderate". hahahahahaha |
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Oct 10, 2011 17:40:07 GMT -8
Compromise isn't always a good thing (look at the budget deal), especially when you think the other position will make things worse. Standing up for what you believe in doesn't make you a bad person. Anti-War people weren't Anti-America when they opposed the wars during Bush's presidency and the TP (or at least the small federal government folks) aren't extremists because they want to make the federal government smaller. If the tp's only goal was actually reducing federal government size as advertised (and i think cutting the deficit would be included), that would be a respectable and adult conversation to have, and would not in and of itself isolated the tp from mainstream america. This isn't what the tp is, though. It's fiscal conservatism to a libertarian degree, combined with the nastiest social policies, a stain of christianity, and a lack of fundamental economics education. And I concede this doesn't include everyone from the right, or even everyone aligning with the tp. But in the current national discourse the loudest voices from either side have been the most extreme right on all issues, and they are swaying policy decision from their corner. I have always been open to differences in economic policy, since no one really knows for certain the directions we are headed and the impact of spending or cutting, etc. But again, it seems that the tp lets their social morality compass get in the way of cogent rhetoric. If you want to claim that our deficit and debt is our nation's biggest concern, you can't start with planned parenthood and be taken seriously. You can't propose raising the DoD budget while cutting from the fringe (i.e. social programs). You cant campaign for the lowest taxes in the history of our country without proposing a way to pay for it. You can't say you're worried about the unemployment rate while cutting UI, Medicaid, and taxes for corporations. You can't say you want straightforward politics and not support campaign finance reform. If the tp really wanted smaller government and less debt, they would focus their efforts on ending the wars, slashing the DoD, lowering tax rates for working folks and actually charging corporations taxes, addressing medicare, medicaid, and social security... they wouldn't WORRY ABOUT BIRTH CERTIFICATES, COLLEGE TRANSCRIPTS, SOLYNDRA, etc. Buuut lets be real, we really don't believe these are their true motives. I don't agree with the Social morality stuff, which is why I struggle to defend the TP. I agree with the smaller government portion (and I'm not convinced a majority even believe in that) but I completely disagree with the social morality stuff. The TP has morphed quite a bit since it's start. Trust me there are people who are trying to cut military spending, DoD etc. Unfortunately they're a minority of the TP people (not sure if they still view themselves as TP members) but even they're lumped in with the rest of the TP by the media (especially from the left). |
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Oct 10, 2011 17:42:42 GMT -8
Nobody asked me, and I don't think that anyone should really care, but my own observation would be that you and win are fairly far right -- but not to the point of being ideologues. You have and use critical thinking skills -- however flawed they may be. ;-) On the other hand, davdesid, afan or william, in my opinion, don't have or at least use critical thinking skills and seem to just lap up and regurgitate far right dogma without ever really questioning it. Given the ongoing spitting contests that exist here, however, I doubt that many of the liberals would cut you or win that concession. Yoda out... . I think Rule just will not acknowledge that the far right has morphed with the tea party and that there is a ton of baggage there. Should the government be streamlined in some areas...of course it should. However the discourse put forth by many spokesman for the tea party is ridiculous...basically government hating, when its government they and their families have used to get ahead for years. It's intellectually ridiculous. Win's a fine guy and as ascerbic as Davesid is.... I'd have a cup of coffee with him anytime. I'm willing to admit that. I don't view myself as a Republican. I probably wouldn't vote for 99% of the Republicans in congress. There's a quote by Sobran: “If you want government to intervene domestically, you’re a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you’re a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you’re a moderate. If you don’t want government to intervene anywhere, you’re an extremist.” I guess I would fall under the extremist portion. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2011 13:36:45 GMT -8
And in this episode of When Morons Attack!- We're Just Like the Tea Party Edition, a young woman is brutally raped by a comrade. I can't tell you how many rapes have occurred at Tea Party protests...OH! ....yes I can! none! cleveland.cbslocal.com/2011/10/18/occupy-cleveland-protester-alleges-she-was-raped/Cleveland police are investigating an alleged sexual assault incident Saturday at the “Occupy Cleveland” rally involving a 19-year-old female student from Parma.
According to police reports, the 19-year-old student was instructed by “Occupy Cleveland” personnel to “share a tent with the suspect due to a shortage of tents.” The suspect identified himself as “Leland” to the woman. The woman told police that after she had thought the suspect went to sleep in his own bed, she slept in a sleeping bag provided to her by the rally. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2011 13:41:46 GMT -8
In This episode of When Morons Attack, idealistic young socialists discover that "redistribution" is only cool when it's not their $#!+ being redistributed. Hilarity ensues... Occupy Wall Street protesters said yesterday that packs of brazen crooks within their ranks have been robbing their fellow demonstrators blind, making off with pricey cameras, phones and laptops -- and even a hefty bundle of donated cash and food.
“Stealing is our biggest problem at the moment,” said Nan Terrie, 18, a kitchen and legal-team volunteer from Fort Lauderdale.
“I had my Mac stolen -- that was like $5,500. Every night, something else is gone. Last night, our entire [kitchen] budget for the day was stolen, so the first thing I had to do was . . . get the message out to our supporters that we needed food!” Read more: www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/criminal_occupation_oh3CnKANUqYHrGPCaZaLRK#ixzz1bAiw8CNrI cannot tell you how much theft goes on at Tea Party meet-ups....OH! yes I can! NONE! |
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Post by azteccc on Oct 18, 2011 15:12:47 GMT -8
In This episode of When Morons Attack, idealistic young socialists discover that "redistribution" is only cool when it's not their $#!+ being redistributed. Hilarity ensues... Occupy Wall Street protesters said yesterday that packs of brazen crooks within their ranks have been robbing their fellow demonstrators blind, making off with pricey cameras, phones and laptops -- and even a hefty bundle of donated cash and food.
“Stealing is our biggest problem at the moment,” said Nan Terrie, 18, a kitchen and legal-team volunteer from Fort Lauderdale.
“I had my Mac stolen -- that was like $5,500. Every night, something else is gone. Last night, our entire [kitchen] budget for the day was stolen, so the first thing I had to do was . . . get the message out to our supporters that we needed food!” Read more: www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/criminal_occupation_oh3CnKANUqYHrGPCaZaLRK#ixzz1bAiw8CNrI cannot tell you how much theft goes on at Tea Party meet-ups....OH! yes I can! NONE! You know how I know that girl is full of $#!+? Mac doesn't make $5,500 computers. |
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Post by davdesid on Oct 18, 2011 15:32:39 GMT -8
In This episode of When Morons Attack, idealistic young socialists discover that "redistribution" is only cool when it's not their $#!+ being redistributed. Hilarity ensues... Occupy Wall Street protesters said yesterday that packs of brazen crooks within their ranks have been robbing their fellow demonstrators blind, making off with pricey cameras, phones and laptops -- and even a hefty bundle of donated cash and food.
“Stealing is our biggest problem at the moment,” said Nan Terrie, 18, a kitchen and legal-team volunteer from Fort Lauderdale.
“I had my Mac stolen -- that was like $5,500. Every night, something else is gone. Last night, our entire [kitchen] budget for the day was stolen, so the first thing I had to do was . . . get the message out to our supporters that we needed food!” Read more: www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/criminal_occupation_oh3CnKANUqYHrGPCaZaLRK#ixzz1bAiw8CNrI cannot tell you how much theft goes on at Tea Party meet-ups....OH! yes I can! NONE! You know how I know that girl is full of $#!+? Mac doesn't make $5,500 computers. As are all of the filthy scum at #OCCUPY. Full of $#!+. |
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Post by aztecwin on Oct 18, 2011 16:03:11 GMT -8
You know how I know that girl is full of $#!+? Mac doesn't make $5,500 computers. As are all of the filthy scum at #OCCUPY. Full of $#!+. You beat me to it!  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2011 19:09:35 GMT -8
In This episode of When Morons Attack, idealistic young socialists discover that "redistribution" is only cool when it's not their $#!+ being redistributed. Hilarity ensues... Occupy Wall Street protesters said yesterday that packs of brazen crooks within their ranks have been robbing their fellow demonstrators blind, making off with pricey cameras, phones and laptops -- and even a hefty bundle of donated cash and food.
“Stealing is our biggest problem at the moment,” said Nan Terrie, 18, a kitchen and legal-team volunteer from Fort Lauderdale.
“I had my Mac stolen -- that was like $5,500. Every night, something else is gone. Last night, our entire [kitchen] budget for the day was stolen, so the first thing I had to do was . . . get the message out to our supporters that we needed food!” Read more: www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/criminal_occupation_oh3CnKANUqYHrGPCaZaLRK#ixzz1bAiw8CNrI cannot tell you how much theft goes on at Tea Party meet-ups....OH! yes I can! NONE! You know how I know that girl is full of $#!+? Mac doesn't make $5,500 computers. Of course the alternative explanation is that like everything else in her life, it was given to her and she has no idea how much it costs, or anything else for that matter. I know this because she is one of the clueless spoiled little "Occupy" brats throwing their little temper tantrum instead of, you know, ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE. Punks. losers. Asshats. |
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Post by uwaztec on Oct 19, 2011 5:12:58 GMT -8
You know how I know that girl is full of $#!+? Mac doesn't make $5,500 computers. Of course the alternative explanation is that like everything else in her life, it was given to her and she has no idea how much it costs, or anything else for that matter. I know this because she is one of the clueless spoiled little "Occupy" brats throwing their little temper tantrum instead of, you know, ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE. Punks. losers. Asshats. Hmmmm. funny, I've heard you call people on this forum the same names who happen to have long, productive careers..... they just disagree with you on whatever. You seem to hate everybody in the US except maybe 25% of the people. God, you would have hated Jobs who took a couple classes in caligraphy at a JC (and dropped out), took some acid and became a Budhist. Not everybody you put in your convenient box turns out the way you would like. Oh, and we can read your text fine without the big font....... JIM ROME clone. |
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Post by azdick on Oct 19, 2011 12:26:07 GMT -8
Not to be redundant, why do the righties on this board insist on dumping on Occupy, while at the same time justify everything TP? Just askin'. I support a lot of what Occupy has to say. Guess that makes me a loser and an asshat. Thanks for clarifying. I was wondering where I fit in the society.
No wonder the country is so screwed up.
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Post by azdick on Oct 19, 2011 12:26:56 GMT -8
Oh yeah. I'm filthy scum too.
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Post by aztecwin on Oct 19, 2011 13:11:41 GMT -8
Not to be redundant, why do the righties on this board insist on dumping on Occupy, while at the same time justify everything TP? Just askin'. I support a lot of what Occupy has to say. Guess that makes me a loser and an asshat. Thanks for clarifying. I was wondering where I fit in the society. No wonder the country is so screwed up. "Occupy" has some legitimate issues. It just has no real focus or any idea about who the real target of their ire should be. We all see some issues that we would like addressed in an adult manner. These folks have no clue. |
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Post by 78aztec82 on Oct 19, 2011 14:01:04 GMT -8
Not to be redundant, why do the righties on this board insist on dumping on Occupy, while at the same time justify everything TP? Just askin'. I support a lot of what Occupy has to say. Guess that makes me a loser and an asshat. Thanks for clarifying. I was wondering where I fit in the society. No wonder the country is so screwed up. No need to be so hard on yourself. Frankly, occupy is so broad almost anyone can agree with parts. |
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Oct 19, 2011 14:08:43 GMT -8
Not to be redundant, why do the righties on this board insist on dumping on Occupy, while at the same time justify everything TP? Just askin'. I support a lot of what Occupy has to say. Guess that makes me a loser and an asshat. Thanks for clarifying. I was wondering where I fit in the society. No wonder the country is so screwed up. "Occupy" has some legitimate issues. It just has no real focus or any idea about who the real target of their ire should be. We all see some issues that we would like addressed in an adult manner. These folks have no clue. There are some valid things to complain about (Bailouts). But there are a lot of people who just want to get handouts (free education, healthcare etc.) I support those who are upset about the Bailouts, against the Fed, Regulations etc., but I don't support those who want to get "free" handouts. |
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