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Post by jalmonb on Sept 26, 2011 13:16:20 GMT -8
Let me ask a question that is off this thread a little bit.....
If the parking is like it is for PETCO, where will the tail gates be? At Qualcom and then you take the trolley in for the game? Ten or eleven acres isn't much room for the field, the stands and parking lot. And since the Chargers do not make a dime more than parking (probably goes to the City anyway), do the Chargers care?
Just wondering.
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Post by 99levi on Sept 26, 2011 13:46:18 GMT -8
off topic, don't you think?
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Post by jalmonb on Sept 26, 2011 14:18:23 GMT -8
Zkidd91,
Normally it would be but if that is where the Aztecs will be playing the future....I would like to know where we will be.
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Sept 26, 2011 15:01:08 GMT -8
If this city's not willing to do what other cities have, then we should tell them so right now so that they can pack up and move to LA for the 2012 season. It's that simple. San Diego is not Los Angeles, New York, Washington, D.C., or even Dallas. EVERY other city has had to chip in SOMETHING. That includes Philadelphia and Chicago. Even Green Bay. So if San Diego does not believe that having the Chargers here in SD County holds any kind of real value to the City/County, then say so and be done with it. We can then put an end to this charade and part ways amicably. At some point it has to come down to what kind of value having an NFL or MLB franchise has to the SD community as a whole, and whether or not having such a franchise makes sense intrinsically and financially for the community as a whole. If it does, great. Help out, and find a way to do it so that the City/County profits from it. If not, sayonara. The City hasn't been stringing the Chargers along. The team could have gone forward with a vote anytime they wanted, they just know that it won't pass. Do you think the city should kick them out since they aren't going to get a new stadium? It seems like the question of how much the community values the Chargers is known by everybody except the people who think the City is somehow dragging their feet and subverting the will of the people by not giving Spanos what he wants.
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Post by NTU on Sept 26, 2011 15:42:40 GMT -8
If this city's not willing to do what other cities have, then we should tell them so right now so that they can pack up and move to LA for the 2012 season. It's that simple. San Diego is not Los Angeles, New York, Washington, D.C., or even Dallas. EVERY other city has had to chip in SOMETHING. That includes Philadelphia and Chicago. Even Green Bay. So if San Diego does not believe that having the Chargers here in SD County holds any kind of real value to the City/County, then say so and be done with it. We can then put an end to this charade and part ways amicably. At some point it has to come down to what kind of value having an NFL or MLB franchise has to the SD community as a whole, and whether or not having such a franchise makes sense intrinsically and financially for the community as a whole. If it does, great. Help out, and find a way to do it so that the City/County profits from it. If not, sayonara. The City hasn't been stringing the Chargers along. The team could have gone forward with a vote anytime they wanted, they just know that it won't pass. Do you think the city should kick them out since they aren't going to get a new stadium? No, they couldn't have. They need the city's cooperation, if not financially then in permitting and planning. But we all know that they are asking the city to play a part financially--with the opportunity to reap financial benefits. The problem they're having is figuring out exactly how to structure it so that everybody wins. My point is that if there is no desire whatsoever to provide any public assistance whatsoever, then make it known now so that they don't have to go through the motions. You can't put a measure on the ballot that requires significant public involvement without the public entity's consent, and without the public entity's participation. What they have envisioned is a public/private partnership, thus a unilateral ballot measure is out of the question.
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Sept 26, 2011 16:06:49 GMT -8
No, they couldn't have. They need the city's cooperation, if not financially then in permitting and planning. But we all know that they are asking the city to play a part financially--with the opportunity to reap financial benefits. The problem they're having is figuring out exactly how to structure it so that everybody wins. My point is that if there is no desire whatsoever to provide any public assistance whatsoever, then make it known now so that they don't have to go through the motions. You can't put a measure on the ballot that requires significant public involvement without the public entity's consent, and without the public entity's participation. What they have envisioned is a public/private partnership, thus a unilateral ballot measure is out of the question. Wrong. The Chargers were planning to do just that before they decided it had no chance of passing.
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Post by McQuervo on Sept 26, 2011 16:11:43 GMT -8
= is not the only one whom has seen the Shitz the Spanholes have played. They have screwed with this comunity too long and done very little to support the comunity in comparison to the Padres etc...
Send them packing!
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Post by aztecbruce on Sept 26, 2011 16:36:07 GMT -8
www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/25/xxxfourth-and-long/Amazing to me that some including =Boob can't see the validity that the tax payers pay at least a portion of the bill especially when it means jobs, tax revenue, and keeping the Bolts, along w/giving the Aztecs a place to play that would help recruiting. Outside of construction most of the jobs would be minimum wage and seasonal. The Spanosites have always proposed the City own the stadium, meaning no tax revenue outside of sales tax. As for keeping the Chargers I am a fan but I'm also someone who has no desire to make the Spanosites richer at the cost of the taxpayers. The only thing I'd be in favor of would be giving the business the land with them paying the full cost of building the stadium. =Bob Your vision is like looking through a pinhole. No taxes? Hotel revenue. Restaurant revenue, Car Rentals, Air for visiting fans. You'd be surprised at what some of the people who work at the stadium make. I have no idea why the "experts" can't figure out to raise the hotel and car rental taxes to help pay for the new stadium, just like they've done in Arizona among other places.
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Post by aztecbruce on Sept 26, 2011 16:40:31 GMT -8
= is not the only one whom has seen the Shitz the Spanholes have played. They have screwed with this comunity too long and done very little to support the comunity in comparison to the Padres etc... Send them packing! What proof can you offer than the Chargers haven't supported the community like the Padres have? What has Moorad done?
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Post by 99levi on Sept 26, 2011 16:42:43 GMT -8
Zkidd91, Normally it would be but if that is where the Aztecs will be playing the future....I would like to know where we will be. Ok I hear you regarding the immediate horizon, but I feel strongly that we (SDSU fans & alum) need to take our long term future in our own hands (regarding a stadium). It's like SDSU is the kid that graduated college 15 yrs ago and still live in their parent's basement. I don't see how the Charger's goals are mutually inclusive of SDSU goal? Perhaps I refuse to see it. Building our own stadium takes our commitment to football to a whole other level. IMHO. Do you think that if the basketball program didn't build a new arena it would be as succesfull as it has been? I doubt it... and i'm not just talking W-L record. I'm talking revenue, coach, school spirit, national recognition, etc...
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Post by aztecbruce on Sept 26, 2011 16:45:50 GMT -8
Why shouldn't the citizens of the city as well as the county help foot the bill?
If San Diego State were to build anew stadium for their own use, where's the money coming from? Donations? So, you help build the stadium.
Wouldn't a brand new NFL Stadium that we could play in help in recruiting? I suspect so.
Either way, YOU are going to pay for part of it so y'all may as well quit being so damn bitter about Spanos and look at the big picture, including Aztec football.
Small town and time minds move nothing.
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Post by 99levi on Sept 26, 2011 16:55:25 GMT -8
I don't believe that playing in an NFL stadium brings recruits.....winning does. The Chargers are going to do what the Chargers are going to do. I believe SDSU needs to do what is best for THEIR football program fostering an atmosphere of winning & school spirit.
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Post by NTU on Sept 26, 2011 17:03:59 GMT -8
I don't believe that playing in an NFL stadium brings recruits.....winning does. The Chargers are going to do what the Chargers are going to do. I believe SDSU needs to do what is best for THEIR football program fostering an atmosphere of winning & school spirit. Building two stadiums in this city is a complete waste of money and resources. If the Chargers do end up leaving, then the Aztecs will have to deal with the stadium situation. But as long as the Chargers are viable here in San Diego, then the focus needs to be on an NFL caliber stadium for both teams to use. Two football stadiums for this market makes ZERO sense whatsoever.
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Post by aztecbruce on Sept 26, 2011 17:21:07 GMT -8
I don't believe that playing in an NFL stadium brings recruits.....winning does. The Chargers are going to do what the Chargers are going to do. I believe SDSU needs to do what is best for THEIR football program fostering an atmosphere of winning & school spirit. Subscribe to Rivals or Scout and read the interviews. Many kids comment about the NFL Stadium as a positive. But of course, winning should always bring recruits. As for the other stuff you mentioned, take over Schnall's job and do the Marketing. On-campus marketing has been non-existent for whatever lazy reason. For anybody who thinks the Q is suitable, go out to Arlington, TX and check out Jerry's World. That place is 1st class all the way.
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Post by NTU on Sept 26, 2011 17:57:43 GMT -8
I don't believe that playing in an NFL stadium brings recruits.....winning does. The Chargers are going to do what the Chargers are going to do. I believe SDSU needs to do what is best for THEIR football program fostering an atmosphere of winning & school spirit. Subscribe to Rivals or Scout and read the interviews. Many kids comment about the NFL Stadium as a positive. But of course, winning should always bring recruits. As for the other stuff you mentioned, take over Schnall's job and do the Marketing. On-campus marketing has been non-existent for whatever lazy reason. For anybody who thinks the Q is suitable, go out to Arlington, TX and check out Jerry's World. That place is 1st class all the way. Jerry World is serious overkill. I'm thinking something along the lines of what Baltimore or Tampa has, except with the soft retractable roof for indoor events (such as the Final Four). Even Lincoln Financial Field, or Gillette Stadium. We don't need anything like what Jerrah built.
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Post by 1611Luginbill on Sept 26, 2011 18:01:56 GMT -8
To all the Charger ankle-grabbers...
How much is too much?
I mean, at what point would you say that the Chargers are asking for too much? What kind offer to you all would be somthing that even YOU would think is too much?
I totally agree with you bolt swingers that the city/region has to invest SOMETHING into a new stadium. I think the city/region should be players at the 150-225 million dollar level as long as the NFL matches that pledge (combined assets/services/cash). The Chargers are pretty much demanding that the city has to be at least at the $400M plus level. That's too much IMO.
So what is too much for you guys? Name a number. Please.
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Post by smoothcat on Sept 26, 2011 20:17:42 GMT -8
The city is broke. Asking the city to contribute to a new stadium want (because let's be honest, that's what it is) is ridiculous in this economy.
I like football and the Chargers are my team. But there is a reason they are scared to put it on the ballot.
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Post by aztecbruce on Sept 26, 2011 20:25:29 GMT -8
The city is broke. Asking the city to contribute to a new stadium want (because let's be honest, that's what it is) is ridiculous in this economy. I like football and the Chargers are my team. But there is a reason they are scared to put it on the ballot. so why not increase the hotel and car rental taxes as I pointed out above? Arizona did it and they've got a nice stadium.
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Post by 1611Luginbill on Sept 26, 2011 20:44:46 GMT -8
so why not increase the hotel and car rental taxes as I pointed out above? Arizona did it and they've got a nice stadium. This isn't Arizona. The hotel industry in San Diego has made it pretty clear to the Chargers that they want nothing to do with their grift. The hotel industry in this region already has their grift. They have had their TOT raised twice with no vote from the public. Any potential vote could reverse those prior hikes. So the last hope for the Chargers is to basically play chicken with one of the most powerful industries in the region. This is theater that will distract San Diego until February and make it seem like they really tried their best. The only thing that will save the San Diego Chargers is making it to the Super Bowl. That would stoke enough public sympathy and nostaligia to get a deal done. So get your pom poms out.
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Post by aztecbruce on Sept 27, 2011 14:31:38 GMT -8
so why not increase the hotel and car rental taxes as I pointed out above? Arizona did it and they've got a nice stadium. This isn't Arizona. The hotel industry in San Diego has made it pretty clear to the Chargers that they want nothing to do with their grift. The hotel industry in this region already has their grift. They have had their TOT raised twice with no vote from the public. Any potential vote could reverse those prior hikes. . and where did you see this? (please post)
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