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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2010 7:26:06 GMT -8
Eyebrows, Monty. Eyebrows. facial hair tells us about the socio-religious views -- wars are fought over facial hair. SOCIO-religious views? Just religious views as far as I know. One thing Joe and I agree on is that organized religion has historically been as detrimental to society as it has been beneficial. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 19, 2010 7:58:51 GMT -8
facial hair tells us about the socio-religious views -- wars are fought over facial hair. SOCIO-religious views? Just religious views as far as I know. One thing Joe and I agree on is that organized religion has historically been as detrimental to society as it has been beneficial. Indeed! As long as Islamics are just like the average Good Catholic, we will have no problem with them. A very large percentage of Islamics just want to go through life with little commotion. As far as their religion goes, they try to fulfill the RITUAL REQUIREMENTS, which are really fairly simple. Go to the institution of religious obedience and obeisance (Mosque or Church) and go through the ritual of worship and prayer. Tithe (To keep the religious leaders from hounding you or to show yourself approved to the neighbors) and avoid any religious discussion because you are not that UP on all of the stories. People like that make damn good neighbors, as long as the husband and wife do not argue all night long or yell at the kids a lot. I prefer tranquil neighbors who love each other and are at peace with their kids. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2010 9:40:13 GMT -8
As far as their religion goes, they try to fulfill the RITUAL REQUIREMENTS, which are really fairly simple. Go to the institution of religious obedience and obeisance (Mosque or Church) and go through the ritual of worship and prayer. Tithe (To keep the religious leaders from hounding you or to show yourself approved to the neighbors) and avoid any religious discussion because you are not that UP on all of the stories. People like that make damn good neighbors, as long as the husband and wife do not argue all night long or yell at the kids a lot. I prefer tranquil neighbors who love each other and are at peace with their kids. On your first point, after previously attending only public schools, I attended a Protestant high school. There I met kids like I had never known before insofar as blind adherence to such rituals. One kid's mother was a raving lunatic. Absolutely no missing church, absolutely no profanity - even something as innocuous as "damn" - etc. To her, follow that path and it was apparently OK to be a bigot, which she was. On your second point, one of my best friends is a Jack Mormon who moved from L.A. to St. George, Utah because he had relatives there and wanted to get his kids away from the evils of the big city. He found that St. George is a great place to raise kids in the sense of an absence of gangs and only modest drug use in comparison to L.A. However, his neighbors, most of whom are not Jack Mormons but strict ones, can drive him nuts. Several times he's stayed home from church to work in his yard and had neighbors make snide comments about his yard work apparently being more important than worshiping the Lord and it's BS like that which made my mom adamant about getting out of Pocatello, Idaho, where if the neighbors weren't Mormon, they were Baptist. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 19, 2010 13:39:23 GMT -8
As far as their religion goes, they try to fulfill the RITUAL REQUIREMENTS, which are really fairly simple. Go to the institution of religious obedience and obeisance (Mosque or Church) and go through the ritual of worship and prayer. Tithe (To keep the religious leaders from hounding you or to show yourself approved to the neighbors) and avoid any religious discussion because you are not that UP on all of the stories. People like that make damn good neighbors, as long as the husband and wife do not argue all night long or yell at the kids a lot. I prefer tranquil neighbors who love each other and are at peace with their kids. On your first point, after previously attending only public schools, I attended a Protestant high school. There I met kids like I had never known before insofar as blind adherence to such rituals. One kid's mother was a raving lunatic. Absolutely no missing church, absolutely no profanity - even something as innocuous as "damn" - etc. To her, follow that path and it was apparently OK to be a bigot, which she was. On your second point, one of my best friends is a Jack Mormon who moved from L.A. to St. George, Utah because he had relatives there and wanted to get his kids away from the evils of the big city. He found that St. George is a great place to raise kids in the sense of an absence of gangs and only modest drug use in comparison to L.A. However, his neighbors, most of whom are not Jack Mormons but strict ones, can drive him nuts. Several times he's stayed home from church to work in his yard and had neighbors make snide comments about his yard work apparently being more important than worshiping the Lord and it's BS like that which made my mom adamant about getting out of Pocatello, Idaho, where if the neighbors weren't Mormon, they were Baptist. In 1969, I went through the second half year of Naval Nuclear Power School out in Arco, Idaho, but lived in Idaho Falls. If you grew up in Pocatello, you probably ran across a few of the Navy boys going through that program. One thing they told us before we moved up there was that it was heavily dominated by the Mormons. The Navy flat out told us that if a girl spent the night in our apartment under the Idaho Common Law, she could claim that she was our common law wife and entitled to fifty percent of our paycheck. Darn, that was enough to make any sailor practice celibacy. To buy booze in that state, you had to register with the state as a user of Alcohol (As if it was hashish or heroin and you were a substance abuser.) Somewhere in the Idaho records, they have my name down for having purchased a few bottles of whiskey and vodka. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 31, 2010 19:44:32 GMT -8
It is a crazy idea to believe that John's apocalypse is going to happen and even crazier to think it is happening shortly, now, some born-agains are dead-set on helping it happening, but that is an act of man, not god. When you see a dragon show up, let me know. All of the prophecies leading up to John's Revelation have now come true. Why do you think that the final prophecies will not come true whan 42,876 have already been fulfilled in the sequence listed in the Bible? |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 1, 2010 6:10:25 GMT -8
On your first point, after previously attending only public schools, I attended a Protestant high school. There I met kids like I had never known before insofar as blind adherence to such rituals. One kid's mother was a raving lunatic. Absolutely no missing church, absolutely no profanity - even something as innocuous as "damn" - etc. To her, follow that path and it was apparently OK to be a bigot, which she was. On your second point, one of my best friends is a Jack Mormon who moved from L.A. to St. George, Utah because he had relatives there and wanted to get his kids away from the evils of the big city. He found that St. George is a great place to raise kids in the sense of an absence of gangs and only modest drug use in comparison to L.A. However, his neighbors, most of whom are not Jack Mormons but strict ones, can drive him nuts. Several times he's stayed home from church to work in his yard and had neighbors make snide comments about his yard work apparently being more important than worshiping the Lord and it's BS like that which made my mom adamant about getting out of Pocatello, Idaho, where if the neighbors weren't Mormon, they were Baptist. In 1969, I went through the second half year of Naval Nuclear Power School out in Arco, Idaho, but lived in Idaho Falls. If you grew up in Pocatello, you probably ran across a few of the Navy boys going through that program. One thing they told us before we moved up there was that it was heavily dominated by the Mormons. The Navy flat out told us that if a girl spent the night in our apartment under the Idaho Common Law, she could claim that she was our common law wife and entitled to fifty percent of our paycheck. Darn, that was enough to make any sailor practice celibacy. To buy booze in that state, you had to register with the state as a user of Alcohol (As if it was hashish or heroin and you were a substance abuser.) Somewhere in the Idaho records, they have my name down for having purchased a few bottles of whiskey and vodka. Joe, I am surprisd that you did not tell us the rest of the story. The half paycheck rule goes both ways. Tell us how many girls who spent the night in your apartment are still sending you half their paychecks? You did not practice celibacy because you saw the opportunity of a life time.  |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 1, 2010 6:33:53 GMT -8
Joe, I am surprisd that you did not tell us the rest of the story. The half paycheck rule goes both ways. Tell us how many girls who spent the night in your apartment are still sending you half their paychecks? You did not practice celibacy because you saw the opportunity of a life time. Now, Win, Even though I had no religion until seven years had passed after high school, I did my best to not run afoul of the Idaho Laws set up by the Moron church. Three times when I had three day weekends, I flew to Frisco to visit my girlfriends. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. When in Idaho, flee fornication, or fly away for fornication. The last thing I wanted at that youthful stage in my life was Parental Responsibility. Marriage is for breeding. Not being religious at the time, I believed in lots of practice breeding exercise, but was not into procreation. That came after the religious rebirth, just like turning away from the Military Industrial Complex comes right after a Liberal Rebirth, such as I have experienced. Gawd, it is great to be a Born Again Liberal. Unfortunately, there are no songs. When I became a Born Again Christian two things happened. One, I discovered the wealth of Christian music that I started singing all day and most of the night (annoyed the sheet out of my neighbors) and Two, my father was worried that I might be going crazy. (To him, too much religion was a sign of insanity as he always explained to those guys on bicycles with white shirts and ties on when they came to the door.) |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 1, 2010 9:59:58 GMT -8
Joe, I am surprised that you did not tell us the rest of the story. The half paycheck rule goes both ways. Tell us how many girls who spent the night in your apartment are still sending you half their paychecks? You did not practice celibacy because you saw the opportunity of a life time. Now, Win, Even though I had no religion until seven years had passed after high school, I did my best to not run afoul of the Idaho Laws set up by the Moron church. Three times when I had three day weekends, I flew to Frisco to visit my girlfriends. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. When in Idaho, flee fornication, or fly away for fornication. The last thing I wanted at that youthful stage in my life was Parental Responsibility. Marriage is for breeding. Not being religious at the time, I believed in lots of practice breeding exercise, but was not into procreation. That came after the religious rebirth, just like turning away from the Military Industrial Complex comes right after a Liberal Rebirth, such as I have experienced. Gawd, it is great to be a Born Again Liberal. Unfortunately, there are no songs. When I became a Born Again Christian two things happened. One, I discovered the wealth of Christian music that I started singing all day and most of the night (annoyed the sheet out of my neighbors) and Two, my father was worried that I might be going crazy. (To him, too much religion was a sign of insanity as he always explained to those guys on bicycles with white shirts and ties on when they came to the door.) Now days it is the top 10% or so of High School Grads that could get into the Navy Nuke Program. It was probably even a smaller percentage when you were a young enlisted. The higher requirements in most any rate now dilute the pool a little, but by and large there are very few people that get selected for Nuke Power School. Now that tells me how you are able to pull off this role of being a liberal. I think we all will agree that you can count on the fingers of one hand people who could be both nuke trained and also be a liberal. Jimmy Carter was one, but who else? Joe, you are one in a million. I commend your ability to pull this liberal act off. Now, about the Idaho girls issue, I think you are just hiding that huge source of income from not only the IRS, but also, your family. What trips you up is the fact that air travel from Idaho Falls to San Fran in those days was very limited. You would have gained more believers if you had claimed to drive it once a month or so. At any rate, keep up the good work and for some reason you seem to have =Bob shut up! |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 1, 2010 16:23:57 GMT -8
Now, Win, Even though I had no religion until seven years had passed after high school, I did my best to not run afoul of the Idaho Laws set up by the Moron church. Three times when I had three day weekends, I flew to Frisco to visit my girlfriends. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. When in Idaho, flee fornication, or fly away for fornication. The last thing I wanted at that youthful stage in my life was Parental Responsibility. Marriage is for breeding. Not being religious at the time, I believed in lots of practice breeding exercise, but was not into procreation. That came after the religious rebirth, just like turning away from the Military Industrial Complex comes right after a Liberal Rebirth, such as I have experienced. Gawd, it is great to be a Born Again Liberal. Unfortunately, there are no songs. When I became a Born Again Christian two things happened. One, I discovered the wealth of Christian music that I started singing all day and most of the night (annoyed the sheet out of my neighbors) and Two, my father was worried that I might be going crazy. (To him, too much religion was a sign of insanity as he always explained to those guys on bicycles with white shirts and ties on when they came to the door.) Now days it is the top 10% or so of High School Grads that could get into the Navy Nuke Program. It was probably even a smaller percentage when you were a young enlisted. The higher requirements in most any rate now dilute the pool a little, but by and large there are very few people that get selected for Nuke Power School. Now that tells me how you are able to pull off this role of being a liberal. I think we all will agree that you can count on the fingers of one hand people who could be both nuke trained and also be a liberal. Jimmy Carter was one, but who else? Joe, you are one in a million. I commend your ability to pull this liberal act off. Now, about the Idaho girls issue, I think you are just hiding that huge source of income from not only the IRS, but also, your family. What trips you up is the fact that air travel from Idaho Falls to San Fran in those days was very limited. You would have gained more believers if you had claimed to drive it once a month or so. At any rate, keep up the good work and for some reason you seem to have =Bob shut up! Second Class Petty Officer pay was not that bad back then. Remember, I went to Viet Nam after A school and before Nuc School. Air tickets were cheap back then, if you were in the service and flew with your Blues on. All the airlines went out of their way to accommodate men in uniform. Since I was doing my patriotic duty by Servicing American women who were badly in need of a man, the Airlines were very accomodating. I think Round Trip was 50 dollars. Shoot on PSA, you could fly from Frisco to San Diego for $19 if you were in Uniform. When I graduated from Nuc School in November of 69, I received orders from Idaho Falls to Charleston on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. I did not receive leave, just three days travel time to fly across the country (Which was very generous when you consider it only took 8 hours to fly back then. So, I took my orders and dressed up in my Blues and flew from Idaho Falls to Frisco, Spent the night with my girlfriend who was the Vice President of the Bank I met last year. (The Oh MY Gawd! girl) and the next day used my blues to get that discount on PSA to San Diego, and on Thanksgiving Day after Dinner with the family I used my Blues to fly across country First Class with all the free drinks I wanted and a Cute stewardess who sat and talked to me from LA to Atlanta in an empty cabin. I arrived in Charleston at 11 PM and took a cab to the base and reported in before midnight. All that transportation cost me something like $220. AND I had the address and phone number of the Stewardess who was based in Atlanta. Life was so damn good back then. Remember, it was in Charleston a few weeks later that I med an "Elizabeth" Simon who saw me walk into the party with that French sailor suit on with a little nautical cap dipped low on my forehead. And I did watch myself at I walked into the room because there was a full length mirror there. The first thing I was looking at was to make certain my fly was closed all of the way, so it wasn't that I was totally vain. Just a little. |
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Post by tuff on Aug 1, 2010 19:45:43 GMT -8
The Bible. The greatest story ever sold.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 2, 2010 7:08:02 GMT -8
The Bible. The greatest story ever sold. It has been well sold by thousands of different publishers. Have you read it for understanding? IF so, have you benefited from it? The Bible contains thousands of truths for mankind, regardless of your religious persuasion. (Buddhist, Hindu, Zoroastrian, Islamic, Animist, Jewish and even Christian. Then if you like Jigsaw Puzzles, there are always the Prophecies. If you look at them and see how they keep on coming true with 100 percent accuracy, you will get hooked. |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 2, 2010 16:27:59 GMT -8
Now days it is the top 10% or so of High School Grads that could get into the Navy Nuke Program. It was probably even a smaller percentage when you were a young enlisted. The higher requirements in most any rate now dilute the pool a little, but by and large there are very few people that get selected for Nuke Power School. Now that tells me how you are able to pull off this role of being a liberal. I think we all will agree that you can count on the fingers of one hand people who could be both nuke trained and also be a liberal. Jimmy Carter was one, but who else? Joe, you are one in a million. I commend your ability to pull this liberal act off. Now, about the Idaho girls issue, I think you are just hiding that huge source of income from not only the IRS, but also, your family. What trips you up is the fact that air travel from Idaho Falls to San Fran in those days was very limited. You would have gained more believers if you had claimed to drive it once a month or so. At any rate, keep up the good work and for some reason you seem to have =Bob shut up! Second Class Petty Officer pay was not that bad back then. Remember, I went to Viet Nam after A school and before Nuc School. Air tickets were cheap back then, if you were in the service and flew with your Blues on. All the airlines went out of their way to accommodate men in uniform. Since I was doing my patriotic duty by Servicing American women who were badly in need of a man, the Airlines were very accomodating. I think Round Trip was 50 dollars. Shoot on PSA, you could fly from Frisco to San Diego for $19 if you were in Uniform. When I graduated from Nuc School in November of 69, I received orders from Idaho Falls to Charleston on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. I did not receive leave, just three days travel time to fly across the country (Which was very generous when you consider it only took 8 hours to fly back then. So, I took my orders and dressed up in my Blues and flew from Idaho Falls to Frisco, Spent the night with my girlfriend who was the Vice President of the Bank I met last year. (The Oh MY Gawd! girl) and the next day used my blues to get that discount on PSA to San Diego, and on Thanksgiving Day after Dinner with the family I used my Blues to fly across country First Class with all the free drinks I wanted and a Cute stewardess who sat and talked to me from LA to Atlanta in an empty cabin. I arrived in Charleston at 11 PM and took a cab to the base and reported in before midnight. All that transportation cost me something like $220. AND I had the address and phone number of the Stewardess who was based in Atlanta. Life was so damn good back then. Remember, it was in Charleston a few weeks later that I med an "Elizabeth" Simon who saw me walk into the party with that French sailor suit on with a little nautical cap dipped low on my forehead. And I did watch myself at I walked into the room because there was a full length mirror there. The first thing I was looking at was to make certain my fly was closed all of the way, so it wasn't that I was totally vain. Just a little. And then? |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 8, 2010 8:43:47 GMT -8
Indeed, most "Christians" that I know do not know their Bible. What they know is what they have been told to know. When I point out the reality of what is actually written in there some of them get offended, because they never saw that and never heard of that. Go ask anybody on the street if God is coming back to kill off all of the people of the Earth, and they will tell you that is a Crazy idea. Yet, it is right there in the Bible, and there is no possibility of misunderstanding what it says. God is coming back to wipe them all slick. GONE! DEAD! HAMBURGER! BIRD FOOD! It is a crazy idea to believe that John's apocalypse is going to happen and even crazier to think it is happening shortly, now, some born-agains are dead-set on helping it happening, but that is an act of man, not god. When you see a dragon show up, let me know. The Dragon story was common to about three different religions in the Middle East. Most bible students and scholars believe that it is symbolic but very few can agree on what it symbolizes. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 9, 2010 16:17:34 GMT -8
The Bible. The greatest story ever sold. It has been well sold by thousands of different publishers. Have you read it for understanding? IF so, have you benefited from it? The Bible contains thousands of truths for mankind, regardless of your religious persuasion. (Buddhist, Hindu, Zoroastrian, Islamic, Animist, Jewish and even Christian. Which is why I identify myself as a Methodist-Zen-Taoist (with a bit of Hinduism tossed as well). Don't give a crap about prophesies written by superstitious people 2,000 years ago. But the New Testament, Zen writings and the Tao De Ching teachings of how we should live our lives are very valuable because they teach tolerance, charity and love. The Hinduism comes into play in my belief that everyone finds their own path to God and one is no better than the other as long as that path has the three values I listed above. And in the end, nobody knows what happens when we die. I'll either find out or I won't when I die. So for me, what's important is how I live the life I have now. For me, it is all about good works, no matter what the Bible says, because good works are what JC taught us we should be doing good works during our time on Earth. And as far as I'm concerned, that's what he meant when he said no one comes to God except through him. =Bob |
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Post by monty on Aug 9, 2010 20:03:04 GMT -8
It is a crazy idea to believe that John's apocalypse is going to happen and even crazier to think it is happening shortly, now, some born-agains are dead-set on helping it happening, but that is an act of man, not god. When you see a dragon show up, let me know. The Dragon story was common to about three different religions in the Middle East. Most bible students and scholars believe that it is symbolic but very few can agree on what it symbolizes. psst the whole new testament and maybe most notably the revelation are symbolic of the fight between the splinter, burgeoning Jesus Movement from the orthodoxy of the Jewish establishment in the late-late 1st century and early 2nd century: it is an internal, not an external story, battle and apocalypse (showing-forth) |
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