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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jul 10, 2010 17:36:26 GMT -8
It's not a color I'd paint my house, but I really get tired of the neighborhood design Nazis claiming that anyone who does something outside of what they would do "lowers property values". Who cares? If they want everything their way, they should move to some community with an HOA, which in and of themselves, are one of the most anti-democratic quasi-government organizations that have ever existed in this country: www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-very-green-house-20100710,0,313934.story =Bob
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Jul 10, 2010 17:48:33 GMT -8
I don't think it looks bad. The neighbors need to mind their own business. And I think claiming this house hurts their property values is a huge reach. Gangs in the area hurt property values, not a green house.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jul 11, 2010 13:26:46 GMT -8
I don't think it looks bad. The neighbors need to mind their own business. And I think claiming this house hurts their property values is a huge reach. Gangs in the area hurt property values, not a green house. I think a lot of people just like to meddle in the affairs of others. Del Mar has design review for residential uses and it often takes an applicant as much as 18 months to get a simple addition to a house approved. =Bob
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 12, 2010 12:23:48 GMT -8
The article didn't say whether the letter included an offer of paying for her painting her house again. That would be the least one would expect if they were serious about getting their color.
It would be funny if they got the power to enforce colors of houses and Ms Hoffman gained power in the committee and made them all paint their houses fluorescent.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jul 12, 2010 17:33:46 GMT -8
The article didn't say whether the letter included an offer of paying for her painting her house again. That would be the least one would expect if they were serious about getting their color. This is one of the reasons I often state that I'm not as liberal as some think I am. During my first stint at County Planning I worked in the North Section and since I was relatively low on the totem pole, I got assigned a lot of design review site plans. Only place where residential design review is required is along the I-15 corridor. I absolutely hated telling people looking to build a single family residence that they had to engage in a "beauty contest". It's absolutely ridiculous that anyone has the power to tell people what their house should look like or what colors it should be painted or what sort or color of roof they should have. The County has design review in pretty much all its larger communities, but outside of I-15, they just cover commercial, industrial and multi-family developments. I think that's reasonable even for multi-family because I live in a community that was half destroyed by "Huffman 6-packs" in the '60s and '70s and, as I'm sure William can attest to, the apartments in Fallbrook bordering on Pendleton that were built before design review ain't exactly pretty. But single family residences? No way, no how. A design review committee that regulates SFRs is no better than an HOA and I think I've made it clear what I think of HOAs. Christ, after the fire in Scripps Ranch, the Nazis on some of the HOA boards were trying to dictate what the interiors should look like and demanding they look no different than what was there before. But, of course, it was all done in the name of "property values", just as, I'm sure, some of my neighbors would love to tell me I should waste water in the summer by keeping my lawn green. =Bob
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Post by Pssst13 on Jul 12, 2010 22:08:42 GMT -8
WOW! =Bob! I knew one day there will be something we'll agree on. I don't care what color my neighbor paints their house as long as they are nice and easy going. Not rapist, Russian Spy with kids, thief an on and on and on... OK, the roof of my grandparents house in Waipahu, Hawai'i is very close to that color - a little less bright but really Green.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jul 13, 2010 14:43:15 GMT -8
WOW! =Bob! I knew one day there will be something we'll agree on. I don't care what color my neighbor paints their house as long as they are nice and easy going. Not rapist, Russian Spy with kids, thief an on and on and on... OK, the roof of my grandparents house in Waipahu, Hawai'i is very close to that color - a little less bright but really Green. Well, don't get me wrong; I'm not completely against design requirements, I simply have a problem with design review committees. For example, after the Normal Heights fire in '85 we were hoping that the rebuilt houses would fit the community character, which is basically a rather large variety of designs but without garages in the front. Instead, as we feared, a number of the rebuilds came out looking like the sort of houses one sees in 3rd ring burbs - big, , mostly earth tones but some bold colors, with virtually no windows on the street and 3 car garages. The big is no problem and I couldn't care less about the colors, but the blank walls bother me because any community with eyes on the streets is, a priori, a safer community. My real problem is with design review committees because far to often I've seen them dominated by architects who favor projects done by their buddies or dominated by a community faction that tosses out virtually all the rules for those they know but refuses to approve much of anything by those they don't know or those they don't like. A couple of times when I was on our planning committee we tried to come up with some sort of smorgasbord of architectural features that typify Normal Heights' community character with the idea being that an architect should use some of them when designing a house or a an office building. It's generally the architects who've fought that by claiming that it's interfering with their "art" (yeah, lots of art involved in a strip mall or a box like the one in the article - I note that there was a suggestion her choice of color was due to being told she couldn't redesign her roof line). Residences are simply too personal to be reviewed at the whims of a design review board, but requiring a few, well defined architectural features for new construction is not such a bad thing. I would just rather have a planning department architect or planner whose had architectural training do it rather than a bunch of political appointees who don't have a clue about anything having to do with architecture. =Bob
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Post by RB Aztec on Jul 15, 2010 20:44:38 GMT -8
If you care about consistency in a neighborhood, live in an HOA neighborhood. If you live in a non-HOA neighborhood, there is little you can do. I personally like living in an HOA neighborhood because it keeps our neighborhood property values high. The downside is that the HOA can be a pain at times. Overall, though, my HOA has been very good. I have heard some horror stories about other HOA's, though.
If you own rental property in an HOA, the HOA can be your best friend because they force your tenants to keep the outside of the property looking nice.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jul 16, 2010 8:16:23 GMT -8
If you care about consistency in a neighborhood, live in an HOA neighborhood. If you live in a non-HOA neighborhood, there is little you can do. I personally like living in an HOA neighborhood because it keeps our neighborhood property values high. The downside is that the HOA can be a pain at times. Overall, though, my HOA has been very good. I have heard some horror stories about other HOA's, though. If you own rental property in an HOA, the HOA can be your best friend because they force your tenants to keep the outside of the property looking nice. It depends on how restrictive the CC&Rs get and how they are interpreted. For instance, it RB, unless I'm mistaken, everyone has to have a red tile roof. I think that goes too far. Another restriction I really dislike is the banning of clotheslines. A certain consistency withing a community isn't a bad thing, but everything exactly the same destroys community character in my opinion. Obviously yours varies and that's fine - we all get to choose where we live, as we should, so it's really an individual decision based upon what makes us happy. =Bob
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 16, 2010 9:27:40 GMT -8
If all the neighbors got with the program, they could have a very unique neighborhood, AND all of the property values could go UP.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jul 16, 2010 16:32:13 GMT -8
If all the neighbors got with the program, they could have a very unique neighborhood, AND all of the property values could go UP. Thanks for that - you've just taken your place along side Tom in terms of padding posts. Tell ya what; if you want to argue land use, send me a PM and I'll give you an email address for doing so. Just don't expect you can offer the same BS you try to offer on here. =Bob
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 17, 2010 5:34:04 GMT -8
If all the neighbors got with the program, they could have a very unique neighborhood, AND all of the property values could go UP. Thanks for that - you've just taken your place along side Tom in terms of padding posts. Tell ya what; if you want to argue land use, send me a PM and I'll give you an email address for doing so. Just don't expect you can offer the same BS you try to offer on here. =Bob Well, I can see that you could not resist going back to being your old nasty self. Well, at least you tried for a few days. Remember, I grew up in Mexico. They paint their houses nice attractive colors all through Latin America. If a neighborhood wanted to do the same up here, it might spread. Besides all that new paint would at the very least brighten things up where that house was built. Granted, Germans and those of Germanic descent would probably not buy in the neighborhood, but people of Latin descent or Asian descent might find the neighborhood attractive. In my efforts to sell community projects to the Asians of the Bay area, I noted that some of them are marrying Hispanic (Third generation and beyond.) and Hispanic house painting colors are infiltrating the Asian housing blocks. Bob, you and I are a minority in this state. Brighter neighborhood house colors will come to our neighborhoods soon. I welcome it. Somebody from the City coming out and telling Hispanics what color they can paint their house will probably end up dead. Best to shut up and go craw into your cave.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jul 17, 2010 17:08:32 GMT -8
Thanks for that - you've just taken your place along side Tom in terms of padding posts. Tell ya what; if you want to argue land use, send me a PM and I'll give you an email address for doing so. Just don't expect you can offer the same BS you try to offer on here. =Bob Well, I can see that you could not resist going back to being your old nasty self. Well, at least you tried for a few days. Remember, I grew up in Mexico. They paint their houses nice attractive colors all through Latin America. If a neighborhood wanted to do the same up here, it might spread. Besides all that new paint would at the very least brighten things up where that house was built. Granted, Germans and those of Germanic descent would probably not buy in the neighborhood, but people of Latin descent or Asian descent might find the neighborhood attractive. In my efforts to sell community projects to the Asians of the Bay area, I noted that some of them are marrying Hispanic (Third generation and beyond.) and Hispanic house painting colors are infiltrating the Asian housing blocks. Bob, you and I are a minority in this state. Brighter neighborhood house colors will come to our neighborhoods soon. I welcome it. Somebody from the City coming out and telling Hispanics what color they can paint their house will probably end up dead. Best to shut up and go craw into your cave. And if you'd written that instead of your stupid one-liner to begin with, you wouldn't have gotten the response that you did. But apparently you've spent too many years in Mira Mesa and therefore do not realize that the Mid-City has a vast variety of designs and colors when it comes to houses. There is stuccoed house on my block that is very dark red with blue trim. There are no HOAs here to enforce the boring crap one sees in Mira Mesa. But that aside, if you'd read all my posts, you'd know that I am opposed to anyone telling someone else what color to paint their house. And if you understood anything about planning or architecture, you would know that "architectural features" does not refer to colors, but rather design. =Bob
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 17, 2010 20:17:56 GMT -8
Boob, how many banana trees do you have buried in your back yard?
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Post by Pssst13 on Jul 18, 2010 13:43:05 GMT -8
Well, I can see that you could not resist going back to being your old nasty self. Well, at least you tried for a few days. Remember, I grew up in Mexico. They paint their houses nice attractive colors all through Latin America. If a neighborhood wanted to do the same up here, it might spread. Besides all that new paint would at the very least brighten things up where that house was built. Granted, Germans and those of Germanic descent would probably not buy in the neighborhood, but people of Latin descent or Asian descent might find the neighborhood attractive. In my efforts to sell community projects to the Asians of the Bay area, I noted that some of them are marrying Hispanic (Third generation and beyond.) and Hispanic house painting colors are infiltrating the Asian housing blocks. Bob, you and I are a minority in this state. Brighter neighborhood house colors will come to our neighborhoods soon. I welcome it. Somebody from the City coming out and telling Hispanics what color they can paint their house will probably end up dead. Best to shut up and go craw into your cave. And if you'd written that instead of your stupid one-liner to begin with, you wouldn't have gotten the response that you did. But apparently you've spent too many years in Mira Mesa and therefore do not realize that the Mid-City has a vast variety of designs and colors when it comes to houses. There is stuccoed house on my block that is very dark red with blue trim. There are no HOAs here to enforce the boring crap one sees in Mira Mesa. But that aside, if you'd read all my posts, you'd know that I am opposed to anyone telling someone else what color to paint their house. And if you understood anything about planning or architecture, you would know that "architectural features" does not refer to colors, but rather design. =Bob =Bob be nice to Joe. As you just mentioned, he lives here in Mira Mesa. We are a small community, so that if someone was to go postal everyone is affected.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 18, 2010 16:20:07 GMT -8
And if you'd written that instead of your stupid one-liner to begin with, you wouldn't have gotten the response that you did. But apparently you've spent too many years in Mira Mesa and therefore do not realize that the Mid-City has a vast variety of designs and colors when it comes to houses. There is stuccoed house on my block that is very dark red with blue trim. There are no HOAs here to enforce the boring crap one sees in Mira Mesa. But that aside, if you'd read all my posts, you'd know that I am opposed to anyone telling someone else what color to paint their house. And if you understood anything about planning or architecture, you would know that "architectural features" does not refer to colors, but rather design. =Bob =Bob be nice to Joe. As you just mentioned, he lives here in Mira Mesa. We are a small community, so that if someone was to go postal everyone is affected. The last time I went postal was in the Yom Kippur war in 1973 east of the village of Dan. It was right after my girlfriend's kid brother was killed with a Syrian hand grenade that blew the side of his head off, and put six scars in the back of my head. Instead of going for killing shots on the Syrians, I gut shot a host of them and just let them bleed out. Normally if I could terminate a guy, I would. A head shot puts them out of their misery. I lost it and just decided that they needed to feel pain. Two days later I was in Jerusalem briefly meeting with Golda Meier and then I was on my way back to Palomar College to attend classes. I got straight A's in all of my classes that semester. I was taking 26 units if I remember right, so the loss of control was not too long lasting.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 18, 2010 16:26:31 GMT -8
And if you'd written that instead of your stupid one-liner to begin with, you wouldn't have gotten the response that you did. But apparently you've spent too many years in Mira Mesa and therefore do not realize that the Mid-City has a vast variety of designs and colors when it comes to houses. There is stuccoed house on my block that is very dark red with blue trim. There are no HOAs here to enforce the boring crap one sees in Mira Mesa. But that aside, if you'd read all my posts, you'd know that I am opposed to anyone telling someone else what color to paint their house. And if you understood anything about planning or architecture, you would know that "architectural features" does not refer to colors, but rather design. =Bob Boob, again your post is deliberately misleading as has always been the case in the past. You just can not stop being dishonest. I never said anything about Architectural Features referring to color. I think multi colored houses are just fine as I stated. Your two highly irrational and illogical responses to that post shows me that your brain is still totally fugged up from substance abuse.
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Post by monty on Jul 19, 2010 4:41:52 GMT -8
=Bob be nice to Joe. As you just mentioned, he lives here in Mira Mesa. We are a small community, so that if someone was to go postal everyone is affected. The last time I went postal was in the Yom Kippur war in 1973 east of the village of Dan. It was right after my girlfriend's kid brother was killed with a Syrian hand grenade that blew the side of his head off, and put six scars in the back of my head. Instead of going for killing shots on the Syrians, I gut shot a host of them and just let them bleed out. Normally if I could terminate a guy, I would. A head shot puts them out of their misery. I lost it and just decided that they needed to feel pain. Two days later I was in Jerusalem briefly meeting with Golda Meier and then I was on my way back to Palomar College to attend classes. I got straight A's in all of my classes that semester. I was taking 26 units if I remember right, so the loss of control was not too long lasting. You have made other entries, but this is truly your return post. Bravo.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 19, 2010 5:31:21 GMT -8
The last time I went postal was in the Yom Kippur war in 1973 east of the village of Dan. It was right after my girlfriend's kid brother was killed with a Syrian hand grenade that blew the side of his head off, and put six scars in the back of my head. Instead of going for killing shots on the Syrians, I gut shot a host of them and just let them bleed out. Normally if I could terminate a guy, I would. A head shot puts them out of their misery. I lost it and just decided that they needed to feel pain. Two days later I was in Jerusalem briefly meeting with Golda Meier and then I was on my way back to Palomar College to attend classes. I got straight A's in all of my classes that semester. I was taking 26 units if I remember right, so the loss of control was not too long lasting. You have made other entries, but this is truly your return post. Bravo. We aim to please. That's the motto of our special service. From a favorite Popeye cartoon in 1954 when I was stuck at home after having a brief bout with polio.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jul 19, 2010 11:05:07 GMT -8
And if you'd written that instead of your stupid one-liner to begin with, you wouldn't have gotten the response that you did. But apparently you've spent too many years in Mira Mesa and therefore do not realize that the Mid-City has a vast variety of designs and colors when it comes to houses. There is stuccoed house on my block that is very dark red with blue trim. There are no HOAs here to enforce the boring crap one sees in Mira Mesa. But that aside, if you'd read all my posts, you'd know that I am opposed to anyone telling someone else what color to paint their house. And if you understood anything about planning or architecture, you would know that "architectural features" does not refer to colors, but rather design. =Bob Boob, again your post is deliberately misleading as has always been the case in the past. You just can not stop being dishonest. I never said anything about Architectural Features referring to color. I think multi colored houses are just fine as I stated. Your two highly irrational and illogical responses to that post shows me that your brain is still totally fugged up from substance abuse. Nothing misleading at all. You decided to go off on some stupid tangent about house colors and I responded to it even though I stated previously that I was opposed to controlling house colors. It's not my fault that you've become so feeble-minded in your old age that you can't stay on topic. =Bob
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