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Post by AztecWilliam on Mar 22, 2011 21:35:39 GMT -8
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Mar 23, 2011 8:00:13 GMT -8
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Mar 25, 2011 14:57:43 GMT -8
Unless, of course, a conservative starts the war. It's pretty classic blathering, but I've come to expect that from Will - William F. Buckley he ain't. This part: In today's episode, America has intervened in a civil war in a tribal society, the dynamics of which America does not understand. And America is supporting one faction, the nature of which it does not know.
In today's episode, America has intervened in a civil war in a tribal society, the dynamics of which America does not understand. And America is supporting one faction, the nature of which it does not know.
is classic. Dang, "America" doesn't understand the dynamics? Well, I'll guarantee you there are a fair amount of CIA analysts who do understand them. And since when does the entire country have to understand the political dynamics of this or that country? As for his last sentence in the quote, I know one thing - that F-18, think it was that model - went down and the opposition found one of the guys who bailed out and brought him back to us.
So basically Will is engaging in fear mongering and arguing that the population of most Arab countries cannot be understood so we should just sit back and watch Khadafy butcher his people.
And don't get me wrong on this - given that we're involved in two wars Bush started and given that I'd just as soon see us out of Iraq yesterday, I'm not in favor of another war. But given Kosovo it is clear that no-fly-zones can work. And from what I've read, a lot of Khadfy's high ranking supporters are already bugging out.
I think what's really pissing off a lot of conservatives is that Obama is willing to allow NATO, and particularly the French, to prosecute this. Libya was an Italian colony (which has always sort of surprised me given the French presence in North Africa, but the Italians will never be up to the task so the French are what we've got).
Either way, I don't think we'll be all that involved unless the French and the Brits screw things up and despite all the dislike of the French in this country - most of it well deserved - I think Khadafy is soon gone.
=Bob
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Mar 26, 2011 9:14:40 GMT -8
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Mar 26, 2011 19:08:21 GMT -8
Damn, what a surprise - I posted Hunter's commentary around 9:15 this morning and nobody has responded. But I suppose that's due to the right-wingnuts always waiting to hear the talking points Limbaugh and their other "heroes" tell them to offer.
God, the right-wing in this country is made up of gutless wonders who can't move until Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck tell you what to say and what to believe.
I mean really, a Marine vet writes that Obama did it correctly and there is total silence from the float on boats crowd on here. Oh wait - guess that means that Hunter stating Obama did something correctly means he's a RINO and the tea baggers will be after him next year.
=Bob
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Post by davdesid on Mar 27, 2011 12:40:20 GMT -8
Damn, what a surprise - I posted Hunter's commentary around 9:15 this morning and nobody has responded. But I suppose that's due to the right-wingnuts always waiting to hear the talking points Limbaugh and their other "heroes" tell them to offer. God, the right-wing in this country is made up of gutless wonders who can't move until Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck tell you what to say and what to believe. I mean really, a Marine vet writes that Obama did it correctly and there is total silence from the float on boats crowd on here. Oh wait - guess that means that Hunter stating Obama did something correctly means he's a RINO and the tea baggers will be after him next year. =Bob Looks like Hunter agrees with me. I stated that I supported the President's decision. He stated unequivocally that it was US policy that 'daffy must go. Of course members of his administration have been all over the map on that point, and that is a bit worrisome. I think if 'daffy gets the boot, there ought to be a diplomatic note to the crazy eye doctor in Syria, Bashar al-Asshat, saying "you're next". But may we assume that you support attacking Libya for humanitarian reasons? And if so, why not elsewhere. Nevermind, I know. When the Prez has a (D) after his name you become a chickenhawk just like Wolfowitz.
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Post by theman on Mar 27, 2011 14:44:59 GMT -8
President Obama did not confer with Congress and rightfully so, not because of the War Powers Act but because when the leader of the Free World, President Sarkozy, said "Were going in, with you or without you." Obama said, "I'm in".
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 27, 2011 15:50:14 GMT -8
There have been many of us who agree with the action, just not the manner that it was done with many more questions still to be answered. What is our objective? Who is in charge? Who are these "rebels"?
I have stated all this before as have others. That makes me wonder about the "edgey" little post by =Bob.
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Post by davdesid on Mar 27, 2011 16:40:15 GMT -8
>>>I posted Hunter's commentary around 9:15 this morning and nobody has responded. But I suppose that's due to the right-wingnuts always waiting to hear the talking points Limbaugh and their other "heroes" tell them to offer.<<<=Perfesser Chickenhawk
Umm, maybe... just maybe.... not everyone sits around online feverishly waiting to respond to some piece of verbal diarrhea from an a**l orifice like you.
Ever consider that?
No, I suppose not. You are such an incredible self-centered egotist.
But, that's typical of runts.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Mar 27, 2011 20:41:41 GMT -8
Damn, what a surprise - I posted Hunter's commentary around 9:15 this morning and nobody has responded. But I suppose that's due to the right-wingnuts always waiting to hear the talking points Limbaugh and their other "heroes" tell them to offer. God, the right-wing in this country is made up of gutless wonders who can't move until Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck tell you what to say and what to believe. I mean really, a Marine vet writes that Obama did it correctly and there is total silence from the float on boats crowd on here. Oh wait - guess that means that Hunter stating Obama did something correctly means he's a RINO and the tea baggers will be after him next year. =Bob Bob, I think Hunter is his own man. He probably can still be bought, but not as easily as most politicians.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Mar 27, 2011 20:49:59 GMT -8
Rebels and Will Smith attack Libyan stronghold of KuhDaffy.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Mar 28, 2011 10:55:51 GMT -8
Damn, what a surprise - I posted Hunter's commentary around 9:15 this morning and nobody has responded. But I suppose that's due to the right-wingnuts always waiting to hear the talking points Limbaugh and their other "heroes" tell them to offer. God, the right-wing in this country is made up of gutless wonders who can't move until Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck tell you what to say and what to believe. I mean really, a Marine vet writes that Obama did it correctly and there is total silence from the float on boats crowd on here. Oh wait - guess that means that Hunter stating Obama did something correctly means he's a RINO and the tea baggers will be after him next year. =Bob Looks like Hunter agrees with me. I stated that I supported the President's decision. He stated unequivocally that it was US policy that 'daffy must go. Of course members of his administration have been all over the map on that point, and that is a bit worrisome. I think if 'daffy gets the boot, there ought to be a diplomatic note to the crazy eye doctor in Syria, Bashar al-Asshat, saying "you're next". But may we assume that you support attacking Libya for humanitarian reasons? And if so, why not elsewhere. Nevermind, I know. When the Prez has a (D) after his name you become a chickenhawk just like Wolfowitz. I support it because Khadaffy has to go. The humanitarian argument is simply a means to an end. But keep in mind that I have stated often that I supported Gulf 1 and Afghanistan both of which, as best my feeble mind can remember, were not started by Democrats. =Bob
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Mar 28, 2011 10:57:34 GMT -8
>>>I posted Hunter's commentary around 9:15 this morning and nobody has responded. But I suppose that's due to the right-wingnuts always waiting to hear the talking points Limbaugh and their other "heroes" tell them to offer.<<<=Perfesser Chickenhawk Umm, maybe... just maybe.... not everyone sits around online feverishly waiting to respond to some piece of verbal diarrhea from an a**l orifice like you. Ever consider that? No, I suppose not. You are such an incredible self-centered egotist. But, that's typical of runts. Nah, just wanted to insult the right wingnuts on here a bit. =Bob
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Mar 28, 2011 10:59:53 GMT -8
President Obama did not confer with Congress and rightfully so, not because of the War Powers Act but because when the leader of the Free World, President Sarkozy, said "Were going in, with you or without you." Obama said, "I'm in". Except on March 1st the Senate voted unanimously for a non-binding resolution calling for a no-fly zone, something both the left and the right in the Senate seem happy to now forget: www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-01/u-s-senate-poised-to-call-for-libya-no-fly-zone-qaddafi-ouster.html=Bob
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Mar 28, 2011 12:46:31 GMT -8
First time I've agreed with anything he's had to say.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2011 13:17:50 GMT -8
Unless, of course, a conservative starts the war. It's pretty classic blathering, but I've come to expect that from Will - William F. Buckley he ain't. This part: In today's episode, America has intervened in a civil war in a tribal society, the dynamics of which America does not understand. And America is supporting one faction, the nature of which it does not know.
In today's episode, America has intervened in a civil war in a tribal society, the dynamics of which America does not understand. And America is supporting one faction, the nature of which it does not know.
is classic. Dang, "America" doesn't understand the dynamics? Well, I'll guarantee you there are a fair amount of CIA analysts who do understand them. And since when does the entire country have to understand the political dynamics of this or that country? As for his last sentence in the quote, I know one thing - that F-18, think it was that model - went down and the opposition found one of the guys who bailed out and brought him back to us.
So basically Will is engaging in fear mongering and arguing that the population of most Arab countries cannot be understood so we should just sit back and watch Khadafy butcher his people.
And don't get me wrong on this - given that we're involved in two wars Bush started and given that I'd just as soon see us out of Iraq yesterday, I'm not in favor of another war. But given Kosovo it is clear that no-fly-zones can work. And from what I've read, a lot of Khadfy's high ranking supporters are already bugging out.
I think what's really pissing off a lot of conservatives is that Obama is willing to allow NATO, and particularly the French, to prosecute this. Libya was an Italian colony (which has always sort of surprised me given the French presence in North Africa, but the Italians will never be up to the task so the French are what we've got).
Either way, I don't think we'll be all that involved unless the French and the Brits screw things up and despite all the dislike of the French in this country - most of it well deserved - I think Khadafy is soon gone.
=BobNice rant. So? who are these rebels we're supporting? I know that one of them recruited Libyans to go fight against us in Iraq and his organization has strong ties to AQ. You're OK with this? You're OK with the POTUS having our military flying high cover for an AQ front group? Also: what evidence do you have that "no fly" equates to no killing of civilians? Kosovo is a bad example because we have ground troops in Kosovo to this day. Think of another. didn't help in kurdistan either. Saddam killed many Kurds when it was a no fly zone. If AQ, once we put them in power begins "killing civilians" are we then obligated to go in and take them out? You're sounding down right imperialist there bobby!
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Post by monty on Mar 28, 2011 16:33:16 GMT -8
What this admin is doing is rightly reading the tea leaves - a buffer and some support allows this momentum to keep going. When another populace topels a mid-east/no africa leader as entrenched as this fool, the inertia will be hard to stop.
The US's role is to not allow the trajectory to get off course. In 18 months the world will be vastly different and if the US keeps itself able to keep providing support, it's going to be a much better place in 2 decades - drastically different.
The dominoes are falling
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 28, 2011 16:52:27 GMT -8
What this admin is doing is rightly reading the tea leaves - a buffer and some support allows this momentum to keep going. When another populace topels a mid-east/no africa leader as entrenched as this fool, the inertia will be hard to stop. The US's role is to not allow the trajectory to get off course. In 18 months the world will be vastly different and if the US keeps itself able to keep providing support, it's going to be a much better place in 2 decades - drastically different. The dominoes are falling I have to say that the world will be a better place without KaGoofy. Now tell me just who are these "rebels"? Maybe we would be better off sending in some Seals to take out Moammar and let the country of Libya sort it out.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Mar 28, 2011 16:59:56 GMT -8
Nice rant. So? who are these rebels we're supporting? I know that one of them recruited Libyans to go fight against us in Iraq and his organization has strong ties to AQ. You're OK with this? You're OK with the POTUS having our military flying high cover for an AQ front group? Also: what evidence do you have that "no fly" equates to no killing of civilians? Kosovo is a bad example because we have ground troops in Kosovo to this day. Think of another. didn't help in kurdistan either. Saddam killed many Kurds when it was a no fly zone. If AQ, once we put them in power begins "killing civilians" are we then obligated to go in and take them out? You're sounding down right imperialist there bobby! I keep stating over and over that I'm not as liberal as the right wing on here think I am. Why is it a surprise to you that I offer the arguments I do? I don't care who the rebels are- the simple fact is we're supporting them and I have to assume they will appreciate the fact that we've done so. Foreign policy is often hit or miss but in this case I do believe we will be appreciated given the fact that Khadaffy (misspelling is intentional) has pretty much isolated himself from the entire Arab League. You can offer anything you want about how this or that guy recruited people to fight in Iraq or how Saddam killed Kurds, but that reflects a Cold War view. Yeah, Saddam killed Kurds while there was a no-flight zone but I don't see how you can deny that the Kurds built an independent nation because of our air cover. If you would really like to argue that the kurds are worse off because of the no fly zone, please make your case. In the meantime, I'd suggest you learn the difference between the "Communist threat" and supporting an Arab uprising that's based upon the fact that Arab nations have a ton of kids with no economic prospects under the dictatorial regimes they have to deal with. =Bob
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Post by monty on Mar 28, 2011 17:14:51 GMT -8
What this admin is doing is rightly reading the tea leaves - a buffer and some support allows this momentum to keep going. When another populace topels a mid-east/no africa leader as entrenched as this fool, the inertia will be hard to stop. The US's role is to not allow the trajectory to get off course. In 18 months the world will be vastly different and if the US keeps itself able to keep providing support, it's going to be a much better place in 2 decades - drastically different. The dominoes are falling I have to say that the world will be a better place without KaGoofy. Now tell me just who are these "rebels"? Maybe we would be better off sending in some Seals to take out Moammar and let the country of Libya sort it out. I can't say this is this admin's trajectory as they are just as worthless as every admin in my lifetime, but, they are lucking into something. When (I don't think if makes sense any more) K/Gaddfi goes down, that is going to emblazen more folk. The real question becomes how do we stave off the rusko-chinese (and franco) forces that have been active in that region? The No-Africa middle east is toppling, by the end of 2012 it will have toppled, the russians, chinesse and (through back water channels) French (guess it pays having/oppressing/influencing Algiers and surrounds) have been in that area for years Allowing it to topple, allowing it to piece meal, showing help and most importantly, doing what we now do best: importing culture can have this country owing africa (and not just the northern part - stabilize that and spend the next generation owning the rest) will determine the future. This is 17th centrury again beootches - he who owns a low-developing Africa, owns the world: American movies, music, video games might be made elsewhere, but they are ours: that is our commodity, and we can get a place that will produce the guts and eat it up
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