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Post by Sdsu4life on Feb 25, 2011 16:11:44 GMT -8
At Oklahoma football games, for example, the greeks send their pledges over to the stadium a few hours to secure seating. My nephews had to do it as pledges. No difference here. Part of the college experience. Get over it. yes i agree with you. greek like is for the most part a great thing to the university. but what thye have done these past 3 years has been pretty darn bad. but what happened this morning isnt the same. if you saw it with your own eyes, you would be ashamed. im not bashing any particular frat guy. if you were in a frat once, i dont not respect you, thats not what my message was about. im talking about certain frats the past 3-4 yrs. |
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Post by tuff on Feb 25, 2011 16:14:10 GMT -8
I always laugh at people who were never in a fraternity and rag on them all the time. Fraternity life is not about sex, drugs and rock and roll. It's a small part of it.  It's really more about brotherhood, bonding and leadership training which those on the outside never see. You have the Mayor of San Diego and a couple of councilmen I belive who were greeks. The District Attorney for Riverside County is a greek. I could go on and on. If some behave poorly, they will be reprimanded. You just don't get to see it. |
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Post by Sdsu4life on Feb 25, 2011 16:16:40 GMT -8
I always laugh at people who were never in a fraternity and rag on them all the time. Fraternity life is not about sex, drugs and rock and roll. It's a small part of it. It's really more about brotherhood, bonding and leadership training which those on the outside never see. You have the Mayor of San Diego and a couple of councilmen I belive who were greeks. The District Attorney for Riverside County is a greek. I could go on and on. If some behave poorly, they will be reprimanded. You just don't get to see it. HOLY MOTHER FUK guy!!! thats not what i am saying. i am going to have to put this in CAPs so i can emphasize EXACTLY what i am saying...THE FRATERNITIES THE PAST THREE YEARS HAVE DONE MORE HARM FOR THIS SCHOOL THAN GOOD. THREE YEARS..AS IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. IF YOU WERE A FRAT GUY 4 YRS AGO THEN IM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU OR YOUR LIFE AND HOW DO YOU KNOW IM NOT IN A FRAT? CURRENTLY OR IN THE PAST. listen to this next part too since ive already said it but you look over it. the greek system is an AMAZING thing for ones school. they are great at networking and become successful after school and have a positive image in school and out. but i am talking about these few frats within the past 3 fukin years |
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Post by Strawberry Puppy Kisses on Feb 25, 2011 16:19:43 GMT -8
When people are upset, they typically find a scapegoat. I don't doubt many "cutters" were greek. Just like many other "cutters" were not greek.
To label all "cutters" greek, or that greek members are somehow the problem to this entire mess, is just scapegoating.
But again, to be expected when people are upset.
I was in the greek system when I was undergrad at SDSU. If I had camped out, i wouldn't have cut, allowed cutting, or any of that nonsense.
Therefore if greeks are responsible for doing this to the show, then I proclaim all show members are intolerant, insulting pricks for the "You're still mormon" chant.
See how that's fair?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 16:20:12 GMT -8
I remember my Fraternity time on campus, some good and some bad. But during the course of school I read E.B. White's book One Man's Meat. Darn good read.
Here is one quotation I liked from the book.
"Clubs, fraternities, nations -- these are the beloved barriers in the way of a workable world, these will have to surrender some of their rights and some of their ribs. A ‘fraternity’ is the antithesis of fraternity. The first (that is, the order or organization) is predicated on the idea of exclusion; the second (that is, the abstract thing) is based on a feeling of total equality. Anyone who remembers back to his fraternity days at college recalls the enthusiasts in his group, the rabid members, both young and old, who were obsessed with the mystical charm of membership in their particular order. They were usually men who were incapable of genuine brotherhood, or at least unaware of its implications. Fraternity begins when the exclusion formula is found to be distasteful. The effect of any organization of a social and brotherly nature is to strengthen rather than diminish the lines which divide people into classes; the effects of states and nations is the same, and eventually these lines will have to be softened, these powers will have to be generalized."
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Post by Sdsu4life on Feb 25, 2011 16:21:11 GMT -8
When people are upset, they typically find a scapegoat. I don't doubt many "cutters" were greek. Just like many other "cutters" were not greek. To label all "cutters" greek, or that greek members are somehow the problem to this entire mess, is just scapegoating. But again, to be expected when people are upset. I was in the greek system when I was undergrad at SDSU. If I had camped out, i wouldn't have cut, allowed cutting, or any of that nonsense. Therefore if greeks are responsible for doing this to the show, then I proclaim all show members are intolerant, insulting pricks for the "You're still mormon" chant. See how that's fair? i never wanted to label them as greeks but when you see a flock of them come out of the frat houses and go straight to the front area of the line and merge in...pretty good chance those are greeks..just sayin. were they the only ones? no there were plenty of non greeks in the wrong. |
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Post by monty on Feb 25, 2011 16:21:27 GMT -8
we are lucky we have one of the smallest percentage of fraternities (and sororities) of any large university.
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Post by Strawberry Puppy Kisses on Feb 25, 2011 16:25:25 GMT -8
When people are upset, they typically find a scapegoat. I don't doubt many "cutters" were greek. Just like many other "cutters" were not greek. To label all "cutters" greek, or that greek members are somehow the problem to this entire mess, is just scapegoating. But again, to be expected when people are upset. I was in the greek system when I was undergrad at SDSU. If I had camped out, i wouldn't have cut, allowed cutting, or any of that nonsense. Therefore if greeks are responsible for doing this to the show, then I proclaim all show members are intolerant, insulting pricks for the "You're still mormon" chant. See how that's fair? i never wanted to label them as greeks but when you see a flock of them come out of the frat houses and go straight to the front area of the line and merge in...pretty good chance those are greeks..just sayin. were they the only ones? no there were plenty of non greeks in the wrong. Don't forget that a few houses are right next to the arena, though. What if Zura or some other dorm was right there, instead? Don't think "regular" students wouldn't have tried the same thing? |
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Post by aztecbb on Feb 25, 2011 16:34:20 GMT -8
Bekays - very eloquent - amidst the rubble and rubbish.
Well played.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 16:34:56 GMT -8
need to take this m-f-cker out. I'm on east coast. perhaps someone(s) can bait him and steal his tix...then give em to the show |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Feb 25, 2011 16:35:06 GMT -8
I have deep sympathy for the students that camped overnight and couldn't get tickets. But you guys are getting way out of hand trashing all of the fraternity members. While I am sure they had a role in the issue, they are not the sole problem here and it is unfair to say "all the cutters were frat members" as many have put it. You may not actually care, but I am actually embarrassed with the way this message board has been portraying itself lately. First it was the bigotry toward LDS and BYU, now the fraternity members are worthless students at SDSU that should go to hell. I know plenty of a-hole fraternity members from SDSU, but I also know that many, if not most, of the biggest athletic department supporters, including significant financial donors, were very involved with the greek system at SDSU. Please be careful about "showing your true colors" and bagging on all the fraternity members. I know that many former and active greek members are contributors to this message board and are excellent people with high standards. With all the success of our program, let's stay classy and stop stereotyping and creating more drama against our fellow students. We are all Aztecs, and hopefully proudly so.This drama almost reminds me of a poor family gaining a bunch of wealth and then learning that they were worse off with the money. Maybe SDSU doesn't deserve to have success? Let's prove that isn't the case. Given the self-entitlement that's generally typical of frat rats, why should we just join with them, especially given the fact that you've just compared those of us who didn't give a whit for frats as being trailer trash? It really comes down to this - did a bunch of self-entitled frat rats game the system? I suspect they did because that's what self-entitled frat rats do. There was a good reason the Greek system damn near died in the '60s an '70s. Damn shame it didn't. =Bob |
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Post by azson on Feb 25, 2011 16:35:57 GMT -8
At Oklahoma football games, for example, the greeks send their pledges over to the stadium a few hours to secure seating. My nephews had to do it as pledges. No difference here. Part of the college experience. Get over it. Worst post of the year. Waiting in line for 48 hours and not getting a ticket because someone rolled out of bed and walked over to cut in line is "part of the college experience"? bull$#!+. +1 "get over it"? really? REALLY?? all the $ in my bank account says Tuff wasn't one of those that got screwed. |
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Post by PQ Aztec on Feb 25, 2011 16:36:45 GMT -8
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Feb 25, 2011 16:38:16 GMT -8
At Oklahoma football games, for example, the greeks send their pledges over to the stadium a few hours to secure seating. My nephews had to do it as pledges. No difference here. Part of the college experience. Get over it. I see - because your nephew went to crap school and managed to pledge to some stinking frat that required him to cheat other students out of tickets you figure the frats at SDSU should do the same. Thanks for clearing that up. =Bob |
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Post by azson on Feb 25, 2011 16:39:41 GMT -8
I remember my Fraternity time on campus, some good and some bad. But during the course of school I read E.B. White's book One Man's Meat. Darn good read. Here is one quotation I liked from the book. "Clubs, fraternities, nations -- these are the beloved barriers in the way of a workable world, these will have to surrender some of their rights and some of their ribs. A ‘fraternity’ is the antithesis of fraternity. The first (that is, the order or organization) is predicated on the idea of exclusion; the second (that is, the abstract thing) is based on a feeling of total equality. Anyone who remembers back to his fraternity days at college recalls the enthusiasts in his group, the rabid members, both young and old, who were obsessed with the mystical charm of membership in their particular order. They were usually men who were incapable of genuine brotherhood, or at least unaware of its implications. Fraternity begins when the exclusion formula is found to be distasteful. The effect of any organization of a social and brotherly nature is to strengthen rather than diminish the lines which divide people into classes; the effects of states and nations is the same, and eventually these lines will have to be softened, these powers will have to be generalized." +++ |
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Post by tuff on Feb 25, 2011 16:43:09 GMT -8
Worst post of the year. Waiting in line for 48 hours and not getting a ticket because someone rolled out of bed and walked over to cut in line is "part of the college experience"? bull$#!+. +1 "get over it"? really? REALLY?? all the $ in my bank account says Tuff wasn't one of those that got screwed. Tuff doesn't give a $#!+ what you think. |
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Post by tuff on Feb 25, 2011 16:45:09 GMT -8
At Oklahoma football games, for example, the greeks send their pledges over to the stadium a few hours to secure seating. My nephews had to do it as pledges. No difference here. Part of the college experience. Get over it. I see - because your nephew went to crap school and managed to pledge to some stinking frat that required him to cheat other students out of tickets you figure the frats at SDSU should do the same. Thanks for clearing that up. =Bob Your welcome. |
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Post by azson on Feb 25, 2011 16:46:13 GMT -8
+1 "get over it"? really? REALLY?? all the $ in my bank account says Tuff wasn't one of those that got screwed. Tuff doesn't give a $#!+ what you think. Damn, alright, back to the drawing board... |
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Post by Fred Noonan on Feb 25, 2011 16:48:21 GMT -8
Nice thread. The Fred Noonan School of Navigation.  Proud douche bag, frat rat. |
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Post by jcljorgenson on Feb 25, 2011 16:48:21 GMT -8
SDSU4Life, what you don't understand is that you are now making a blanket statements about greeks the last "three or four years," as if they were much different twenty years ago. You only know about the ones the last few years because that is all you have experienced. 20+ years ago there were other non greeks just like you ragging on "the frats." Those people were not in a fraternity just like you, because they don't want to be in one!
But like Tuff said in an earlier post, you can't rag on a fraternity if you have never actually experienced it yourself. Your perception from the outside may appear legitimate, but it also may be very wrong.
I am speaking from firsthand experience, because I came to SDSU almost 20 year ago as a JC transfer with the same perspective of you - the frat guys were a bunch of tools that all looked, dressed, and acted the same and thought they were better than everyone else. To top things off, all of my close high school friends trashed the greek system, but they ended up going to different schools and I didn't know anyone at SDSU. I was at SDSU when no one could get classes, so a lot of locals chose to go elsewhere.
Anyway, I ended up going to Villa Alvarado apartments and got assigned three freak roommates, including a football player that was a Crip from LA and had stolen credit cards and checkbooks laying around his room (lets please not sterotype all SDSU football players as gangsters too, the guy eventually got kicked off the team).
All I can say is that I needed to find a way to get me out of the my living situation more and decided to rush a fraternity. There were some fraternity houses that I felt somewhat "fulfilled the stereotype," but most were very different. I found one that I liked more than the others and joined. Let me tell you, I met a lot of great people and the experience was nothing but positive for me. I think the experience helped me mature quite a bit in life and in my career. If you knew me, you would never think I was a "frat boy." The sad thing is, if you knew me for 10 years and then I told you I was in a fraternity, I can already tell you are probably the type of person that would most likely pass judgement on me and start to see me in a different light.
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It's really more about brotherhood, bonding and leadership training which those on the outside never see. You have the Mayor of San Diego and a couple of councilmen I belive who were greeks. The District Attorney for Riverside County is a greek. I could go on and on. If some behave poorly, they will be reprimanded. You just don't get to see it.
