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Post by aztecbruce on Apr 17, 2011 14:47:21 GMT -8
So what? It's early. Ever had tendinitis? Very painful. I've pitched alot, so yes, I know all about it. I also know that once you get it, you're more prone to it coming back, over and over in the same area. The best thing for it is rest. That means that there's a great chance you're going to be on the DL more than once. CY has shown a pattern lately of getting on the DL. Bad sign. Great decision by the Pads. A shot of cortizone is the best thing for Tendinitis IMO. I've had it in my shoulders and wrists and both times a shot quickly cured the pain. I also had Sciatica almost two years ago. Couldn't walk without major pain. Long story short, I suggested the shot to the doctor and finally after two weeks of extreme pain, she shot me in the arse and voila....gonzo. From what I hear, the shots will diminish in effectiveness if the tendinitis comes back but in my case it was the cure that worked. |
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Post by joshjones1 on Apr 17, 2011 15:31:28 GMT -8
Nobody is saying it isn't. That's not the point. The point is, Young can't stay on the hill, his arm just can't hold up. So, to counter your original point, I can see why the Pads wanted to close the book on him and move on to other options. Latos has also been on the DL so far this season. So what? Trade Latos I guess huh?  Great comparison, genius. A kid who made 31 starts in his first full season, and a veteran who hasn't even hit the 20 games mark since 2007. In the last three years he made 18, 14, and 4 starts respectively. |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 17, 2011 16:37:50 GMT -8
I've pitched alot, so yes, I know all about it. I also know that once you get it, you're more prone to it coming back, over and over in the same area. The best thing for it is rest. That means that there's a great chance you're going to be on the DL more than once. CY has shown a pattern lately of getting on the DL. Bad sign. Great decision by the Pads. A shot of cortizone is the best thing for Tendinitis IMO. I've had it in my shoulders and wrists and both times a shot quickly cured the pain. I also had Sciatica almost two years ago. Couldn't walk without major pain. Long story short, I suggested the shot to the doctor and finally after two weeks of extreme pain, she shot me in the arse and voila....gonzo. From what I hear, the shots will diminish in effectiveness if the tendinitis comes back but in my case it was the cure that worked. Cortizone shots don't work as long in the area where you have the tendinitis, when you're a pitcher. It works more like a bandaid because of the stress on the arm of the pitcher. Cortizone shots will mask it, but rest and strength training can cure it. Pitching is very stressful on an arm, as we all know. |
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Post by aztecbruce on Apr 17, 2011 21:41:58 GMT -8
The Padres decided to let Chris Young walk and signed Aaron Harang instead. Tuesday, Young will start for the Mets and Harang will start for the Padres. While one start will not decide the issue, it is interesting that both players first pitch on the same day.
Harang $4.0 million Young $1.1 million + as much as $3.4 million in incentives as follows: $0.125M each for 10, 15 GS. $0.15M for 20 GS. $75,000 each for GS 21-25. $0.125M each for GS 26-31 $0.125M for 70 IP. $0.15M each for 80, 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150. $0.175M each for 160, 170 IP. $0.2M for 180 IP
The Padres probably could have resigned Young for what they paid for Harang, so it came down to a baseball decision. Bill- Did the Pads truly decide between Harang and Young? Or was it Young and Mosely? Or were the decisions independent of each other? Or did Young just choose to move on? |
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Post by joshjones1 on Apr 18, 2011 8:34:55 GMT -8
Apr 11, 2011, 8:59pm, aztecbruce wrote: Apr 11, 2011, 8:53pm, Josh Jones wrote: He hadn't made 20 starts since 2007, and in the last two years combined for 18 starts (4 last year).
I don't fault the Pads for letting him go. Time to turn the page there. $1 million guarantee for an experienced quality starting pitcher is pocket change. Virtually no risk. I agree completely, but I suppose the Padres wanted to fill that rotation spot with a pitcher they felt had more upside. The Mets placed Young on the 15-day disabled list Saturday with right biceps tendinitis, ESPNNewYork.com reports Wow....I was really out of line there. I mean, I really jumped all over Bruce. |
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Post by markyc on Apr 18, 2011 11:19:45 GMT -8
Chris Young on the DL, it only took 2 weeks.
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 18, 2011 14:28:12 GMT -8
The Padres decided to let Chris Young walk and signed Aaron Harang instead. Tuesday, Young will start for the Mets and Harang will start for the Padres. While one start will not decide the issue, it is interesting that both players first pitch on the same day.
Harang $4.0 million Young $1.1 million + as much as $3.4 million in incentives as follows: $0.125M each for 10, 15 GS. $0.15M for 20 GS. $75,000 each for GS 21-25. $0.125M each for GS 26-31 $0.125M for 70 IP. $0.15M each for 80, 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150. $0.175M each for 160, 170 IP. $0.2M for 180 IP
The Padres probably could have resigned Young for what they paid for Harang, so it came down to a baseball decision. Bill- Did the Pads truly decide between Harang and Young? Or was it Young and Mosely? Or were the decisions independent of each other? Or did Young just choose to move on? I really don't follow the off-season like I use to (AzBB). I assume Harang was the guy. I am surprised that Mosley and Luebuke have their current roles - I expected them to be reversed. |
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Post by aztecbruce on Apr 19, 2011 12:02:56 GMT -8
Bill- Did the Pads truly decide between Harang and Young? Or was it Young and Mosely? Or were the decisions independent of each other? Or did Young just choose to move on? I really don't follow the off-season like I use to (AzBB). I assume Harang was the guy. I am surprised that Mosley and Luebuke have their current roles - I expected them to be reversed. Staying on -topic... The Padres declined the $8.5 Mill option on Young. What has to happen after that for the Padres to offer a lesser deal i.e. similar to the Mets (in this situation)? Harang signed w/ the Pads on 12/3 Young signed w/ the Mets 1/19 I suspect there are technicalities that have to take place between declining the option to offering a new lower contract. |
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Post by aztecbruce on Apr 19, 2011 12:06:20 GMT -8
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Post by joshjones1 on Apr 19, 2011 12:28:27 GMT -8
That's correct. That's exactly what I inferred when I said I understood the Padres decision to move on from Chris Young. Stauffer being only 28 years old, and having half the medical sheet of Young's, of course has nothing to do with it. |
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Post by k5james on Apr 19, 2011 13:33:25 GMT -8
Easy decision in my opinion. Which one is more likely to finish the season? Quoted for correctness.. ;D |
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Post by aztecbruce on Apr 19, 2011 14:33:37 GMT -8
That's correct. That's exactly what I inferred when I said I understood the Padres decision to move on from Chris Young. Stauffer being only 28 years old, ansd having half the medical sheet of Young's, of course has nothing to do with it. You're so freakin dumb it's not even funny. Of course, that's to be expected from a mindless cretin whose avatar and signature both obsess about an oversized plush cat. I can still smell that patheticness, you're cloaked in it. Hurry along and post an ad for US Open golf tickets for sale, I hear Maryland is beautiful in June. Stauffer doesn't have 1/2 the amount of injuries or in your words medical sheet. Josh- When you finally pull your head out of your ass come back and talk about the subject at hand. Until then go back and play with yourself. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 22, 2011 16:38:29 GMT -8
Wrong again..... Here's your first attempt at attacking me.... Great comparison, genius. A kid who made 31 starts in his first full season, and a veteran who hasn't even hit the 20 games mark since 2007. In the last three years he made 18, 14, and 4 starts respectively. Your knowledge of the game of baseball pretty much ends at knowing how much the cost of a suite is at Petco. « Last Edit: Apr 17, 2011, 4:32pm by Josh Jones » .... so if you think I'm going to put up with your bull$#!+ then you've got another thing to learn. Since you're self-proclaimed expert at this, why don't you go back and look at Stauffer's history from BEFORE he was drafted by the Pads and throughout his minor league stint prior to the majors and THEN the majors and you'll see a long line of injuries. Despite all those injuries and set backs, he's done quite well learning to pitch rather than just throw. The bottomline, is that Young, with what he had done in his career was well worth risking $1mill/yr with incentives to try to keep. $1mill is NOTHING for a major league player with success in his past. Nobody said he wouldn't get injured again nor did anybody say that he would pitch the whole fricken season. If you had done your homework, Hoyer was quoted as saying he wanted more pitching depth so....... Young has tendinitis for christ sakes. Ya know what that is? Who said it has anything to do with "having a tired arm"? Comparing the big bucks that they risked for Ludwick who had done nothing w/ the Pads to, Young who had been quite valuable when he pitched is ludicrous. The question is, did the Pads have a chance to offer a similar contract that the Mets did or did something else have to happen first? You're Mr. Expert, I'm sure you know the answer to this. If you'd only do any homework before spouting off nonsense as if you are any sort of expert on this subject, let alone anything else. Cheers back at ya  Aaron Harang has made 20 starts EVERY single year of his career since he became a regular starter, and 30 starts four times. He's been able to stay healthy. So foolish of the Padres to pursue this guy!! They could have had Chris Young! Who is on the DL again. It's amazing how little you know about baseball, Bruce. Furthermore, it's sad that you have become such an irritable little asshole around here. You have no personality. You're just like a bitter old old woman. Bitch, bitch, bitch. Bitch about Zuma. Bitch because Chet got ran. Bitch because someone disagreed with you. I think Bitch is an appropriate nickname for you. It's 5 letters that start with a B, just like Bruce. Actually, I think I'll just ignore you. Bitch. Josh.... Come on, man. The personal insults are NOT necessary, and they break forum rules. You know that. Don't do it again. And Bruce, you don't need to engage in the personal stuff, either. |
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Post by aztecbruce on May 2, 2011 10:34:05 GMT -8
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Post by AztecBill on May 2, 2011 12:29:06 GMT -8
4 starts 24 innings 12 hits 5 ER 1.88 ERA 0.96 WHIP 11 walks 22 strikeouts A very good start to the season. Chris Young is a very good pitcher. His BA Against is .146. It is said that a pitcher has no control whether balls in play are hits or outs. That is not true of infield pop-ups. Those are converted as outs at about the same percentage as strikeouts are (dropped pop outs and passed ball/wild pitch strikeouts). That is why Chris Young is so good. Add his high number of infield pop ups to his strikeouts and he gets a high percentage of his outs as 100% propositions. |
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Post by aztecbruce on May 3, 2011 15:26:27 GMT -8
4 starts 24 innings 12 hits 5 ER 1.88 ERA 0.96 WHIP 11 walks 22 strikeouts A very good start to the season. Chris Young is a very good pitcher. His BA Against is .146. It is said that a pitcher has no control whether balls in play are hits or outs. That is not true of infield pop-ups. Those are converted as outs at about the same percentage as strikeouts are (dropped pop outs and passed ball/wild pitch strikeouts). That is why Chris Young is so good. Add his high number of infield pop ups to his strikeouts and he gets a high percentage of his outs as 100% propositions. So how many infield pop-outs does he have so far?  |
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Post by johneaztec on May 3, 2011 22:54:21 GMT -8
I've never disputed the fact that Young's a good pitcher. He just worry's me as far the injury bug goes. Not incredibly reliable to me. Same goes for alot of other pitchers as well, I suppose. When he is out there, he produces for the most part.
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Post by aztecbruce on May 4, 2011 21:47:19 GMT -8
I've never disputed the fact that Young's a good pitcher. He just worry's me as far the injury bug goes. Not incredibly reliable to me. Same goes for alot of other pitchers as well, I suppose. When he is out there, he produces for the most part. and one of my points was that anybody can be injured and put on the DL The other point- $1million in today's world of MLB is nothing for an experienced pitcher. For another thread - Kevin Correia......why didn't the Pads offer him a chance to return? |
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Post by johneaztec on May 5, 2011 8:22:03 GMT -8
I've never disputed the fact that Young's a good pitcher. He just worry's me as far the injury bug goes. Not incredibly reliable to me. Same goes for alot of other pitchers as well, I suppose. When he is out there, he produces for the most part. and one of my points was that anybody can be injured and put on the DL The other point- $1million in today's world of MLB is nothing for an experienced pitcher. For another thread - Kevin Correia......why didn't the Pads offer him a chance to return? It's just that some seem to be on the DL more than others. You're right, 1 million dollars is chicken feed for a an experienced pitcher. Maybe the Pads, just didn't like the injury thing. |
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Post by AztecBill on May 5, 2011 10:10:09 GMT -8
I've never disputed the fact that Young's a good pitcher. He just worry's me as far the injury bug goes. Not incredibly reliable to me. Same goes for alot of other pitchers as well, I suppose. When he is out there, he produces for the most part. and one of my points was that anybody can be injured and put on the DL The other point- $1million in today's world of MLB is nothing for an experienced pitcher. For another thread - Kevin Correia......why didn't the Pads offer him a chance to return? Because they feel they have 6 better options for starting pitchers. |
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