SI: Not the UCLA Way (Gordon & Co. torched by SI) « Thread Started on Feb 29, 2012, 11:05am »
Interesting read. Howland has his hands full in Westwood. Meanwhile, we now know why Gordon and Stanback xferred to the MGC. Lots of fights, partying, drugs and pre-practice ganja.
Interestingly, I've always maintained that UCLA is the 800-lb. gorilla when it comes to West Coast bball. I don't think it's a coincidence that when UCLA was in the dumps, UNLV and Arizona were able to recruit great teams simply because UCLA wasn't a giant black hole sucking up all the nearby hoops talent. I think the same thing has happened with SDSU. We're able to get into the elite echelon in part due to the void left by UCLA.
Re: SI: Not the UCLA Way (Gordon & Co. torched by « Reply #1 on Feb 29, 2012, 11:13am »
How much longer is UCLA the gorilla? Those final fours feel like memphis' now, Tyus Edney is when current kids were toddlers to not even born yet, their parents now are no longer adults or teenagers during Wooden, they are spending a fortune to put lipstick on that pig of a gym. UCLA will likely always get good coaches and players, but, I don't think they just roll out of bed anymore and pick who they want of either coaches or players
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Re: SI: Not the UCLA Way (Gordon & Co. torched by « Reply #3 on Feb 29, 2012, 11:46am »
Wow sounds like UCLA has some issues. Gordon sounds like a punk too, I can see it in Gordon bowing to The Show after the game seems like a punk. Looks like UNLV got the 2 kids that were better basketball players.
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Re: SI: Not the UCLA Way (Gordon & Co. torched by « Reply #5 on Feb 29, 2012, 11:50am »
The article does not paint Gordon in a very positive light.
I think that the UNM team is going to rally around Gordon though. This could really be the extra motivation they need to turn their season around. Them against the world.
Re: SI: Not the UCLA Way (Gordon & Co. torched by « Reply #8 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:05pm »
They're all to blame (players & coaches), but immaturity is going to occur in young players. It's the coach's responsibilty to discipline.
Fish would never allow this kind of crap to continue. He would discipline to the cost of a losing season if necessary. I really respect Fish for that and am thankful he's guiding SDSU's program.
Things change too fast and there are too many variables that are not constant to use the method you describe. This is called real life. You can't use some soft mamsy pamsy social science model of life. This isn't science, it is game theory.
They're all to blame (players & coaches), but immaturity is going to occur in young players. It's the coach's responsibilty to discipline.
Fish would never allow this kind of crap to continue. He would discipline to the cost of a losing season if necessary. I really respect Fish for that and am thankful he's guiding SDSU's program.
Brings to mind the 07-08 season when Fisher suspended Kyle Spain in the middle of conference play. I'll never forget Spain sitting on the bench every game wearing a shirt and tie. The kid paid his dues and came back a stronger player - and person - in 08-09.
Re: SI: Not the UCLA Way (Gordon & Co. torched by « Reply #10 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:30pm »
Dave Palet from 1090 says UCLA should come after Fisher and Fisher should take job without giving it a second thought because they still have better chance to win national championship in the next couple of years. Says Fisher can recruit better up there.
Dave Palet from 1090 says UCLA should come after Fisher and Fisher should take job without giving it a second thought because they still have better chance to win national championship in the next couple of years. Says Fisher can recruit better up there.
It's not altogether untrue regarding recruiting. Anyone who thinks it would be easier to recruit at SDSU is drenched in bias... and that's NOT a slight at SDSU!
But everything else is blasphemy and he should be called out for it. What a dumb statement.
Things change too fast and there are too many variables that are not constant to use the method you describe. This is called real life. You can't use some soft mamsy pamsy social science model of life. This isn't science, it is game theory.
Dave Palet from 1090 says UCLA should come after Fisher and Fisher should take job without giving it a second thought because they still have better chance to win national championship in the next couple of years. Says Fisher can recruit better up there.
Never happen but Palet is a dick for even mentioning it.
Dave Palet from 1090 says UCLA should come after Fisher and Fisher should take job without giving it a second thought because they still have better chance to win national championship in the next couple of years. Says Fisher can recruit better up there.
It's not altogether untrue regarding recruiting. Anyone who thinks it would be easier to recruit at SDSU is drenched in bias... and that's NOT a slight at SDSU!
But everything else is blasphemy and he should be called out for it. What a dumb statement.
Not calling him out for that. He basically said screw SDSU, doesn't matter what they got coming in next year and how Fisher enjoys his life in San Diego, he's got a better chance to do more things in LA so he should bolt.
Re: SI: Not the UCLA Way (Gordon & Co. torched by « Reply #15 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:57pm »
Dohrmann's name sound familiar?
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excerpt from "The man who could be king-maker"
By Ed Graney and Mark Zeigler
July 6, 2005
Weber is expected to announce his decision over the next few days. It is an interesting choice – a man who has scant experience running an athletic department but is Bohn's good friend going back to his Air Force days (Becvar), or an experienced administrator (Schemmel) who some consider an inappropriate hire at a school that came off NCAA probation in February.
Among them is George Dohrmann, the St. Paul Pioneer-Press journalist who won the 2000 Pulitzer Prize for his work on the Minnesota story.
"The bottom line is, (Schemmel) was the No. 2 man in one of the dirtiest athletic departments in NCAA history," said Dohrmann, who now works for Sports Illustrated. "There seems to be no institutional memory in these cases when universities are making hires. It's amazing the top lieutenant in the (Minnesota scandal) can now be a finalist for an athletic director's job."
It's not altogether untrue regarding recruiting. Anyone who thinks it would be easier to recruit at SDSU is drenched in bias... and that's NOT a slight at SDSU!
But everything else is blasphemy and he should be called out for it. What a dumb statement.
Not calling him out for that. He basically said screw SDSU, doesn't matter what they got coming in next year and how Fisher enjoys his life in San Diego, he's got a better chance to do more things in LA so he should bolt.
Totally agree - that's why I say it's blasphemy. A really dumb comment by him and I'm surprised a "SDSU supporter" would make such a critically one-sided comment (in the wrong direction).
You could argue this topic sensibly and debate the pros/cons - plus the intangibles that would go into the decision. Instead, he jumped off the deep end into absurdity.
Things change too fast and there are too many variables that are not constant to use the method you describe. This is called real life. You can't use some soft mamsy pamsy social science model of life. This isn't science, it is game theory.
Weber is expected to announce his decision over the next few days. It is an interesting choice – a man who has scant experience running an athletic department but is Bohn's good friend going back to his Air Force days (Becvar), or an experienced administrator (Schemmel) who some consider an inappropriate hire at a school that came off NCAA probation in February.
Among them is George Dohrmann, the St. Paul Pioneer-Press journalist who won the 2000 Pulitzer Prize for his work on the Minnesota story.
"The bottom line is, (Schemmel) was the No. 2 man in one of the dirtiest athletic departments in NCAA history," said Dohrmann, who now works for Sports Illustrated. "There seems to be no institutional memory in these cases when universities are making hires. It's amazing the top lieutenant in the (Minnesota scandal) can now be a finalist for an athletic director's job."
Yup, first thing I thought of - and that article was reason1 and the only one we needed that we never should have hired that little weasel.
Re: SI: Not the UCLA Way (Gordon & Co. torched by « Reply #18 on Feb 29, 2012, 1:18pm »
Nothing about the players in this article came off as out of the ordinary to me. This was more about Howland and his lack of discipline. It was also interesting to see how the players who made it to the NBA carried themselves compared to others.
One thing that stood out to me was the comment near the end from Nelson, about how he wishes he was punished more along the way rather than harshly at the end. This brings to mind fisher coming down hard on Richie for his DUI,, only to see Richie become a leader of the team going forward.
Overall this read as a fire Howland piece, rather than an actual expose on UCLA.
Nothing about the players in this article came off as out of the ordinary to me. This was more about Howland and his lack of discipline. It was also interesting to see how the players who made it to the NBA carried themselves compared to others.
One thing that stood out to me was the comment near the end from Nelson, about how he wishes he was punished more along the way rather than harshly at the end. This brings to mind fisher coming down hard on Richie for his DUI,, only to see Richie become a leader of the team going forward.
Overall this read as a fire Howland piece, rather than an actual expose on UCLA.
I agree. From some reason I always thought of Howland of being a disciplinarian from his Pitt days. Maybe I am just confusing that with tough defense his teams back then played.
Obviously his days are numbered.
And why anyone would be surprised that college students are drinking and doing drugs is beyond me. Whats next? College students indiscriminately laying the lumber to co-eds?
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