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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2012 6:42:41 GMT -8
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Sept 26, 2012 7:39:37 GMT -8
Most people on this board realize that the Big East will be a good conference for the future stability for SDSU. The BE may not be considered equal to the big 5 but it will be within striking range. The BE will get a good TV contract (I will guess $10 million over 10-12 years for FB only), provide guaranteed access to big money bowl games and coast to coast National exposure via BE branding, marketing and prime time games for its teams with the TV network that lands the contract. This will provide the opportunity for the BE member schools to grow and improve exponentially. This will further widen the gap between the haves and the have nots. There will be the big 5 followed closely by the BE and then there will be an enormous financial and competitive gap...it is here that you will find the MWC, MAC, CUSA etc. IMO many of those schools and possibly the conferences will not survive the transition until the next wave of realignment 10-15 years from now. Tough decisions will have to be made. Football programs may have to drop down to FCS (or lower) or be cut altogether. Dark days ahead for some; bright days ahead for SDSU. |
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Post by Yoda on Sept 26, 2012 7:48:22 GMT -8
Most people on this board realize that the Big East will be a good conference for the future stability for SDSU. The BE may not be considered equal to the big 5 but it will be within striking range. The BE will get a good TV contract (I will guess $10 million over 10-12 years for FB only), provide guaranteed access to big money bowl games and coast to coast National exposure via BE branding, marketing and prime time games for its teams with the TV network that lands the contract. This will provide the opportunity for the BE member schools grow and improve exponentially. This will further widen the gap between the haves and the have nots. There will be the big 5 followed closely by the BE and then there will be an enormous financial and competitive gap...it is here that you will find the MWC, MAC, CUSA etc. IMO many of those schools and possibly the conferences will not survive the transition until the next wave of realignment 10-15 years from now. Tough decisions will have to be made. Football programs may have to drop down to FCS (or lower) or be cut altogether. Dark days ahead for some; bright days ahead for SDSU. Stability? Really? I don't think anybody outside of maybe Boise and San Diego thinks the Big East is stable. It is a temporary home -- at least as it is now constituted -- with a nice payout for traveling your football team a great distance and for sending your other sports into oblivion. In my opinion, they will lose more teams and, when they do, what will emerge is a "best of the rest" conference from among Big East, C USA, the MWC and maybe BYU. Ultimately, I think that Boise, San Diego State and Fresno State will all be in the same division of some conference. If it is the Big East, it will be with an eastern division that looks very different than it looks today. Yoda out... . |
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Post by aztectone on Sept 26, 2012 8:05:38 GMT -8
Yoda is right, In my opinion best of the rest will form.
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Post by ohioaztec1 on Sept 26, 2012 8:25:38 GMT -8
This potential cash bonanza is precisly the reason why e need the best HC and staff that we can hire. A HC that we pay in excess of 1.5 million will pay our investment back in short order.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 26, 2012 8:57:50 GMT -8
This potential cash bonanza is precisly the reason why e need the best HC and staff that we can hire. A HC that we pay in excess of 1.5 million will pay our investment back in short order. How many more sub-25k attendance numbers at the Q will it take before the administration recognizes the cliff we're approaching? Hell, a $2 million dollar salary would be a bargain. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 26, 2012 9:46:43 GMT -8
Most people on this board realize that the Big East will be a good conference for the future stability for SDSU. The BE may not be considered equal to the big 5 but it will be within striking range. The BE will get a good TV contract (I will guess $10 million over 10-12 years for FB only), provide guaranteed access to big money bowl games and coast to coast National exposure via BE branding, marketing and prime time games for its teams with the TV network that lands the contract. This will provide the opportunity for the BE member schools grow and improve exponentially. This will further widen the gap between the haves and the have nots. There will be the big 5 followed closely by the BE and then there will be an enormous financial and competitive gap...it is here that you will find the MWC, MAC, CUSA etc. IMO many of those schools and possibly the conferences will not survive the transition until the next wave of realignment 10-15 years from now. Tough decisions will have to be made. Football programs may have to drop down to FCS (or lower) or be cut altogether. Dark days ahead for some; bright days ahead for SDSU. Stability? Really? I don't think anybody outside of maybe Boise and San Diego thinks the Big East is stable. It is a temporary home -- at least as it is now constituted -- with a nice payout for traveling your football team a great distance and for sending your other sports into oblivion. In my opinion, they will lose more teams and, when they do, what will emerge is a "best of the rest" conference from among Big East, C USA, the MWC and maybe BYU. Ultimately, I think that Boise, San Diego State and Fresno State will all be in the same division of some conference. If it is the Big East, it will be with an eastern division that looks very different than it looks today. Yoda out... . I have a very important announcement relevant to all this talk about bowls and conferences. Here it is. . . I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE ! ! ! But there is more. None of you knows what will happen, either. ;D AzWm |
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Post by myownwords on Sept 26, 2012 9:53:46 GMT -8
Stability? Really? I don't think anybody outside of maybe Boise and San Diego thinks the Big East is stable. It is a temporary home -- at least as it is now constituted -- with a nice payout for traveling your football team a great distance and for sending your other sports into oblivion. In my opinion, they will lose more teams and, when they do, what will emerge is a "best of the rest" conference from among Big East, C USA, the MWC and maybe BYU. Ultimately, I think that Boise, San Diego State and Fresno State will all be in the same division of some conference. If it is the Big East, it will be with an eastern division that looks very different than it looks today. Yoda out... . I have a very important announcement relevant to all this talk about bowls and conferences. Here it is. . . I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE ! ! ! But there is more. None of you knows what will happen, either. ;D AzWm Your point? |
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Post by retiredaztec on Sept 26, 2012 10:04:00 GMT -8
Most people on this board realize that the Big East will be a good conference for the future stability for SDSU. The BE may not be considered equal to the big 5 but it will be within striking range. The BE will get a good TV contract (I will guess $10 million over 10-12 years for FB only), provide guaranteed access to big money bowl games and coast to coast National exposure via BE branding, marketing and prime time games for its teams with the TV network that lands the contract. This will provide the opportunity for the BE member schools to grow and improve exponentially. This will further widen the gap between the haves and the have nots. There will be the big 5 followed closely by the BE and then there will be an enormous financial and competitive gap...it is here that you will find the MWC, MAC, CUSA etc. IMO many of those schools and possibly the conferences will not survive the transition until the next wave of realignment 10-15 years from now. Tough decisions will have to be made. Football programs may have to drop down to FCS (or lower) or be cut altogether. Dark days ahead for some; bright days ahead for SDSU. I wish I could share in your optimism but given their track record, the powers that be will find a way to f*ck this up too. I would argue that a change of this significance would require a departure from the "good old boy" network that has existed for way too long. I will repeat: the additional money and exposure means nothing to me if it doesn't equate to more wins. And given the logistical challenges of the new BE and a head coach that, in my opinion, is privately lamenting that he didn't sign up for this on the back side of his career, I'm not holding my breath. My biggest concern at this stage is the Aztec football program will be shipped out of the MW and into the BE in a box. |
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Post by Yoda on Sept 26, 2012 10:11:18 GMT -8
Stability? Really? I don't think anybody outside of maybe Boise and San Diego thinks the Big East is stable. It is a temporary home -- at least as it is now constituted -- with a nice payout for traveling your football team a great distance and for sending your other sports into oblivion. In my opinion, they will lose more teams and, when they do, what will emerge is a "best of the rest" conference from among Big East, C USA, the MWC and maybe BYU. Ultimately, I think that Boise, San Diego State and Fresno State will all be in the same division of some conference. If it is the Big East, it will be with an eastern division that looks very different than it looks today. Yoda out... . I have a very important announcement relevant to all this talk about bowls and conferences. Here it is. . . I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE ! ! ! But there is more. None of you knows what will happen, either. ;D AzWm Nobody has been more interested in trying to figure out what will happen than I've been. I've had long conversations with athletic directors and even two commissioners, all trying to figure it out together. And I have never come close to figuring any move out or predicting anything that actually happened. And neither have the athletic directors or commissioners that I've spoken with. The closest I came was proposing Fresno and Boise to the Big East in football only in 2005 -- with the balance of our programs to the Big West. The Air Force AD told me that the entire Athletic Department got a good belly-laugh out of that one. By the time that the idea was viable, our program had taken a dive and yours was apparently a better alternative. What I "ultimately think" has never been spot on. And probably never will be. Fortunately, however, there is no death penalty for being wrong about these things. At the end of the day, they are fun to try to figure out -- and all pretty much fruitless. Yoda out... . |
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Sept 26, 2012 10:43:54 GMT -8
Most people on this board realize that the Big East will be a good conference for the future stability for SDSU. The BE may not be considered equal to the big 5 but it will be within striking range. The BE will get a good TV contract (I will guess $10 million over 10-12 years for FB only), provide guaranteed access to big money bowl games and coast to coast National exposure via BE branding, marketing and prime time games for its teams with the TV network that lands the contract. This will provide the opportunity for the BE member schools grow and improve exponentially. This will further widen the gap between the haves and the have nots. There will be the big 5 followed closely by the BE and then there will be an enormous financial and competitive gap...it is here that you will find the MWC, MAC, CUSA etc. IMO many of those schools and possibly the conferences will not survive the transition until the next wave of realignment 10-15 years from now. Tough decisions will have to be made. Football programs may have to drop down to FCS (or lower) or be cut altogether. Dark days ahead for some; bright days ahead for SDSU. Stability? Really? I don't think anybody outside of maybe Boise and San Diego thinks the Big East is stable. It is a temporary home -- at least as it is now constituted -- with a nice payout for traveling your football team a great distance and for sending your other sports into oblivion. In my opinion, they will lose more teams and, when they do, what will emerge is a "best of the rest" conference from among Big East, C USA, the MWC and maybe BYU. Ultimately, I think that Boise, San Diego State and Fresno State will all be in the same division of some conference. If it is the Big East, it will be with an eastern division that looks very different than it looks today. Yoda out... . By stability I mean financial stability for SDSU's entire athletic department. IMO the Big East will not lose any more schools. However, this comes with a caveat. Many of the conferences have increased their buyout clauses (ACC to $50 million) and the new TV contracts have grant of rights language (BIG 12, B1G & PAC 12). Of course, the SEC has always been top dog so no one will ever leave or be poached from that conference. www.bcinterruption.com/2012/9/12/3321858/conference-realignment-acc-expansion-notre-dame-to-accespn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8346345/big-12-announces-media-deal-abc-espn-foxIf the Big East gets a good TV contract and votes to increase the exit fee substantially and/or includes a grant of rights in the TV contract then they will not lose teams and you will see expansion finally come to a halt... at least for many years to come. Another possible scenario could present itself in this case. Two conferences could merge together and combine assets similar to that of two merging companies. For example, if AT&T were to merge with Verizon. |
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Post by therealeman on Sept 26, 2012 11:43:28 GMT -8
Although I may be too late, I don't want to turn this post into speculation of the Big East's future.
But in terms of the bowl itself, at least the BCS is throwing us a bone worth $20 million. It's interesting how they are going to choose the highest ranked team, and not automatically choose the conference champion.
Like the article mentions, this bowl should favor the Big East, but with the way the MAC and Sun Belt have been playing lately, who knows.
This could also mean that San Diego could host the bowl, especially when you consider the opponent could come from the Pac 12.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2012 11:47:06 GMT -8
Stability? Really? I don't think anybody outside of maybe Boise and San Diego thinks the Big East is stable. It is a temporary home -- at least as it is now constituted -- with a nice payout for traveling your football team a great distance and for sending your other sports into oblivion. In my opinion, they will lose more teams and, when they do, what will emerge is a "best of the rest" conference from among Big East, C USA, the MWC and maybe BYU. Ultimately, I think that Boise, San Diego State and Fresno State will all be in the same division of some conference. If it is the Big East, it will be with an eastern division that looks very different than it looks today. Yoda out... . By stability I mean financial stability for SDSU's entire athletic department. IMO the Big East will not lose any more schools. However, this comes with a caveat. Many of the conferences have increased their buyout clauses (ACC to $50 million) and the new TV contracts have grant of rights language (BIG 12, B1G & PAC 12). Of course, the SEC has always been top dog so no one will ever leave or be poached from that conference. www.bcinterruption.com/2012/9/12/3321858/conference-realignment-acc-expansion-notre-dame-to-accespn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8346345/big-12-announces-media-deal-abc-espn-foxIf the Big East gets a good TV contract and votes to increase the exit fee substantially and/or includes a grant of rights in the TV contract then they will not lose teams and you will see expansion finally come to a halt... at least for many years to come. Another possible scenario could present itself in this case. Two conferences could merge together and combine assets similar to that of two merging companies. For example, if AT&T were to merge with Verizon. You are right about the ACC and the BIG 12. No mention of the Big East in those links though. I think you were right to start the 2nd to last paragraph with "if the Big East gets a good TV contract." That's a big "IF." With the caliber of teams that have left, and the ones that are leaving, not sure how any TV network would shell out the kind of money people are talking about to the BE. Also, not sure just how stable the BE is or will be. We will see!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2012 11:56:03 GMT -8
I have a very important announcement relevant to all this talk about bowls and conferences. Here it is. . . I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE ! ! ! But there is more. None of you knows what will happen, either. ;D AzWm Your point? His point is the rest of us should stop speculating. But I disagree. Just because William doesn't visit other boards to get educated about the likelihood of various future scenarios doesn't mean those of us who do don't have any idea what the future holds. Rumor out of various quarters had it for the last year that ND was seriously considering joining the ACC. Well, that's now happened. And we know UConn and Rutgers have been lobbying to join the ACC themselves. Further rumor has been that if ND left the BE that the other Catholic schools would be much less interested in staying in. That would be even more true if UConn and its top-notch hoops program leaves. So putting two and two and two together, speculation like Yoda has made here and some of the rest of us have made on a number of other threads isn't the least bit arbitrary. Anyway, I won't bother with explaining myself again as I have before but ultimately, I see SDSU in an entirely new conference composed of schools from Memphis west. It will be a very good basketball conference, the equal of the Pac-12 if not actually superior, and not far below the Pac in football. We won't earn nearly as much in TV revenue because our locations will be less populous but we will do just fine regardless. Meanwhile the remnants of the MWC will align themselves with the Big Sky and barely eek out an existence. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2012 12:36:35 GMT -8
I see SDSU in an entirely new conference composed of schools from Memphis west. It will be a very good basketball conference, the equal of the Pac-12 if not actually superior, and not far below the Pac in football. You already know how I feel about all this and I see you have come to your senses or at least changed you opinion regarding football. However, just curious on what teams you think will make up this new conference? (Names please) Also, the MWC is already a very good basketball conference and most likely better than the PAC 12. With the additions of UNR, USU, (next year) and FSU (Get turned around) the MWC just got better top to bottom in basketball. SDSU being included ;D and excluded  . Not sure about a new conference being just below PAC 12 in football, but who knows?? |
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Post by aztecnole on Sept 26, 2012 12:39:57 GMT -8
An what has SDSU done to be a recognized football team? Nothing. So we want a big contract, big coach, big dreams and putting teams out there that lose to San Jose Freakin State.
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Post by insider on Sept 26, 2012 12:42:21 GMT -8
It's the 6th best conference, not sure who has said otherwise.
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Post by aztecdad on Sept 26, 2012 13:44:26 GMT -8
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Most people on this board realize that the Big East will be a good conference for the future stability for SDSU. The BE may not be considered equal to the big 5 but it will be within striking range. The BE will get a good TV contract (I will guess $10 million over 10-12 years for FB only), provide guaranteed access to big money bowl games and coast to coast National exposure via BE branding, marketing and prime time games for its teams with the TV network that lands the contract. This will provide the opportunity for the BE member schools to grow and improve exponentially.
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If the Big East pays out $10 million to football only schools, and goes to 14 teams, that will probably be the biggest TV deal for all the conferences. What type of payout will the full members receive? I think a much more realistic estimate would be in the $5 - $7 million range for football only.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2012 14:00:43 GMT -8
I see SDSU in an entirely new conference composed of schools from Memphis west. It will be a very good basketball conference, the equal of the Pac-12 if not actually superior, and not far below the Pac in football. You already know how I feel about all this and I see you have come to your senses or at least changed you opinion regarding football. However, just curious on what teams you think will make up this new conference? (Names please) Also, the MWC is already a very good basketball conference and most likely better than the PAC 12. With the additions of UNR, USU, (next year) and FSU (Get turned around) the MWC just got better top to bottom in basketball. SDSU being included ;D and excluded . Not sure about a new conference being just below PAC 12 in football, but who knows?? I'm not sure how you think I've changed my position. Maybe I have but how and from when? Anyway, you asked for my prognosis on what schools would comprise the new conference and this would be my guess today. Definite MembersSDSU Boise Houston SMU Fresno UNLV (assuming the new stadium gets built) Probable MembersBYU (the schools above would all oppose the conference entering into a TV deal waiving members' tier 3 rights so BYU might bite) Memphis (some here say no way but the many Tigers fans on the BE board all want nada to do with the eastern schools if the BE breaks up) Less Possible MembersNevada (depends on whether Ault retires first and what their football attendance has been) USU (depends on Andersen staying and attendance improving) Hawaii (if they would partially subsidize travel to Honolulu) UTSA (would bridge the geographic gap for UH and SMU while helping with a TV deal) UNM (no chance if their football program remains as abysmal as currently) Very Unlikely MembersAFA CSU Wyoming SJSU Comments: 1. It would be an all-sports or no admission deal as REAL conference are composed. 2. Because the conference couldn't get TV revenue akin to the "Power 5," NCAA tournament revenue would be more important than to those conferences, which would give Nevada, USU and UNM a leg up while diminishing the value of Hawaii, UTSA, AFA and SJSU. 3. The more that comes out of AFA, the more it looks like they've thrown their lot in with the other two front range schools and all could easily join CUSA. 4. Speaking of which, CUSA recently implemented a $10M exit fee which makes it highly unlikely Tulsa would want to join even if asked. 5. SJSU football has been turned around but they still aren't drawing flies and MacIntyre's a southern who therefore doesn't figure to stay. |
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Post by insider on Sept 26, 2012 14:44:02 GMT -8
How many more sub-25k attendance numbers at the Q will it take before the administration recognizes the cliff we're approaching? Hell, a $2 million dollar salary would be a bargain. 25K? LOL. That's announced. There haven't been more than 15K at either of the last two games. Nice try |
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. Not sure about a new conference being just below PAC 12 in football, but who knows?? 