Peter King on Lindley drafted by Arizona « Thread Started on Apr 30, 2012, 9:52am via the ProBoards Mobile App »
Seems spot on!
"Ryan Lindley, taken 185th by the Cardinals, went to the perfect spot. With the Cardinals not sold that Kevin Kolb is their long-term quarterback, the 6-3 ½, four-year starter at San Diego State (he started all 49 games that he played for the Aztecs) will have to beat out Rich Bartel to make the roster. If he does, he should provide fair competition for Kolb and John Skelton should they struggle.
Amazing thing about Lindley’s career is how similar each of his four seasons were. He completed 242, 239, 243 and 237 passes from 2008 through 2011. He threw 427, 437, 421 and 447 passes in those four years.
Lindley’s arm strength, decision-making and command of the pocket will serve him well at the next level. His accuracy will determine if he has a chance. Last year it was a paltry 53 percent."
Re: Peter King on Lindley drafted by Arizona « Reply #1 on Apr 30, 2012, 10:12am »
I'm not arguing that Lindley wasn't woefully inaccurate at times last year, but it really annoys me when so called journalists, even respected ones like King, write as if completion percentage is the be-all-end-all sign for accuracy.
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Re: Peter King on Lindley drafted by Arizona « Reply #2 on Apr 30, 2012, 10:16am »
Not trying to push the blame to the WRs or say Lindley was perfect, but he played with a walk-on and a converted DB so I'd ignore the stats and just look at his raw QB ability.
Not trying to push the blame to the WRs or say Lindley was perfect, but he played with a walk-on and a converted DB so I'd ignore the stats and just look at his raw QB ability.
Yeah, most of these analysts did not witness the "boink" factor in Lindley's percentages last year. We'll see how he does with real receivers now.
I'm not arguing that Lindley wasn't woefully inaccurate at times last year, but it really annoys me when so called journalists, even respected ones like King, write as if completion percentage is the be-all-end-all sign for accuracy.
It's not...there are factors such as dropped passes...but let's not try and pretend Ryan (whom we all love), is known for his accuracy. He never has been particularly accurate.
Not trying to push the blame to the WRs or say Lindley was perfect, but he played with a walk-on and a converted DB so I'd ignore the stats and just look at his raw QB ability.
I dont have the stats in front of me, and do not care to jump over to GoAztecs.com right now, but I believe he was below 60% with Vincent Brown and Demarco Sampson as well.
Not knocking him. All players have things to work on. Just stating a fact.
Not trying to push the blame to the WRs or say Lindley was perfect, but he played with a walk-on and a converted DB so I'd ignore the stats and just look at his raw QB ability.
I dont have the stats in front of me, and do not care to jump over to GoAztecs.com right now, but I believe he was below 60% with Vincent Brown and Demarco Sampson as well.
Not knocking him. All players have things to work on. Just stating a fact.
heh...you actually did have the statistics in front of you...they were contained in the first post on this thread
I dont have the stats in front of me, and do not care to jump over to GoAztecs.com right now, but I believe he was below 60% with Vincent Brown and Demarco Sampson as well.
Not knocking him. All players have things to work on. Just stating a fact.
heh...you actually did have the statistics in front of you...they were contained in the first post on this thread
Lindley's accuracy certainly took a hit last year but it's been his biggest problem for a while now. Even last year there were plenty of times when he missed guys that were wide open. Lindley's completion % should increase with NFL receivers but that won't be enough to keep him in the NFL. Lindley needs to get better and I'm sure he's well aware of that.
Re: Peter King on Lindley drafted by Arizona « Reply #8 on Apr 30, 2012, 12:28pm »
Another point is that Lindley simplely wasn't tossing 5 yard slants and dump offs to the backs. The guy can throw the ball down field and that is why he was drafted. in time we will find out how much the inexperienced wide receivers were to blame for his completion percentage.
The high completion percentage for Kellen Moore and Case Keenum didn't help them out much.
Re: Peter King on Lindley drafted by Arizona « Reply #9 on Apr 30, 2012, 12:48pm »
I really hope Ryan has a great NFL career. However, I haven't seen any QB make as many horribly inaccurate passes as did Ryan. Cue the Boise State game...aargh!
Another point is that Lindley simplely wasn't tossing 5 yard slants and dump offs to the backs. The guy can throw the ball down field and that is why he was drafted. in time we will find out how much the inexperienced wide receivers were to blame for his completion percentage.
The high completion percentage for Kellen Moore and Case Keenum didn't help them out much.
Lindley would be the first to admit to accuracy problems. But you make a good point that his completion % is deceptive in the sense of how often SDSU's offense has had him in a vertical game that requires making tough throws. So I'd love to see a comparison of his yards per completion versus some of the guys drafted ahead of him.
As to Moore and Keenum, NFL teams shy away from guys who play in a spread. Kevin O'Connell is an example of how difficult it is to transition from always getting the ball in a shotgun to having to take it from center and then backpeddle.
The above being said, unlike others, I hope Lindley does NOT play for awhile. Because his footwork isn't good, he's a project until he gets the proper muscle memory and consistently does it right. If he does, I harken to a comment made by one of the experts on NFL Radio. That is that if you took the most impressive 20 throws of all the QBs in the draft, Lindley's are as good as anybody's, including Luck.
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Re: Peter King on Lindley drafted by Arizona « Reply #11 on Apr 30, 2012, 1:21pm »
I would be highly and pleasantly surprised if Lindley became a good NFL QB. His accuracy was not good, so let's be realistic. Even with two NFL receivers, who saved him time and again, he had problems.
And to those people that don't thing accuracy is important - bs. You can have a gun and still be a horrible NFL QB. Drew Brees has average arm strength, but is amazingly accurate, hence he is successful. There is not a starter in the league that isn't supremely accurate. Not one.
Another point is that Lindley simplely wasn't tossing 5 yard slants and dump offs to the backs. The guy can throw the ball down field and that is why he was drafted. in time we will find out how much the inexperienced wide receivers were to blame for his completion percentage.
The high completion percentage for Kellen Moore and Case Keenum didn't help them out much.
I think you make a great point about him willing to throw deep, but I also wouldn't be surprised if his 5 yard slant completion rate was even less than his overall rate. Lindley had trouble "lobbing" the ball on shorter passes - everything was thrown with lots of zip and our WRs and RBs often struggled catching those passes.
Re: Peter King on Lindley drafted by Arizona « Reply #13 on Apr 30, 2012, 2:17pm »
I believe he has a shot to stick in the league for a while and possibly compete. Hell, if a total stiff like Charlie Whitehurst can keep a QB slot on TWO different pro teams, Ryan Lindley certainly should be able to stick around for a while – particularly with the Cardinals .
Keys for him will be to get the footwork down cold, increase accuracy and eliminate that nasty tendency of his to hit a wide open DB square in the numbers at least once a game. All things he should be able to do,
Best of luck to SDSU’s all time total passing yardage leader!
Not trying to push the blame to the WRs or say Lindley was perfect, but he played with a walk-on and a converted DB so I'd ignore the stats and just look at his raw QB ability.
Yeah, most of these analysts did not witness the "boink" factor in Lindley's percentages last year. We'll see how he does with real receivers now.
"boink" factor and all...it is still amazing how similar his numbers were for his 4 seasons. He didn't have the brick hands he had last year, yet his numbers were similar. Get RL some NFL WRs and he has a real shot at not only making a team, but actually starting. That would be a huge accomplishment for him and I think it is attainable for him. AZ is the perfect spot for him...I am pulling for him.
Re: Peter King on Lindley drafted by Arizona « Reply #15 on Apr 30, 2012, 3:24pm »
Keep in mind that I am not arguing that Lindley was a very accurate passer, but I believe some of that is due to the fact that he did throw a number of long passes. More that the average QB. In fact, in 2010 wasn't he one of the leading passers in long TD's when he had Brown & Sampson catching them? Obviously when you throw a 25 to 40 yd. bomb, or longer your completion % goes down accordingly.
Over the years there has not been many Aztec QB's who comleted as many long bomb's especially for TD's like Lindley. I'll take him any day. Also, I believe you will see his completions go up in the NFL with the more talented WR's he will be working with.
Re: Peter King on Lindley drafted by Arizona « Reply #16 on Apr 30, 2012, 4:39pm »
There's been quite a few analogies to Lindley as a "power pitcher" in baseball who can light up the radar, but will have trouble finding the plate. While those kind of analogies can bug me sometimes because its two completely different sports...I think it does in fact make sense with him. I've got to believe it's MUCH better though to have that ability (as well as his size and strength) and work on finding your accuracy, than the opposite.
Lindley's a hard worker who has a lot of pride...when he has NFL coaches teaching him things round the clock, and when he finally learns to tame it back a bit on the 5 yard slant patterns etc. I honestly feel like I could guarantee he'll be a better QB than Skelton or even Kolb.
I believe he has a shot to stick in the league for a while and possibly compete. Hell, if a total stiff like Charlie Whitehurst can keep a QB slot on TWO different pro teams, Ryan Lindley certainly should be able to stick around for a while – particularly with the Cardinals .
Keys for him will be to get the footwork down cold, increase accuracy and eliminate that nasty tendency of his to hit a wide open DB square in the numbers at least once a game. All things he should be able to do,
Best of luck to SDSU’s all time total passing yardage leader!
I believe he has a shot to stick in the league for a while and possibly compete. Hell, if a total stiff like Charlie Whitehurst can keep a QB slot on TWO different pro teams, Ryan Lindley certainly should be able to stick around for a while – particularly with the Cardinals .
Keys for him will be to get the footwork down cold, increase accuracy and eliminate that nasty tendency of his to hit a wide open DB square in the numbers at least once a game. All things he should be able to do,
Best of luck to SDSU’s all time total passing yardage leader!
Does Lindley have a shot? Yes. Is it possible for him to start? Yes.
But it is highly unlikely a guy who started college all four years and showed no progress in completions, none, will show any progress in the pros. Sorry. That's just the way I see it. I would love to be proven wrong, but I doubt a guy who has been consistently average will all of a sudden become very good.
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